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07 May 2017, 10:22 am

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...There way of lives and values are mocked on TV late night and prime time while thier actual lives have been deteriorating by purposeful policies often done gleefully. Yet people are surprised that people emotionally voted not rationally.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Who are these people who are being mocked while the government acts against them? And what do these have to do with letting emotion rule over thought?



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07 May 2017, 11:18 am

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Liberals created the climate which made Trump's election possible.

I am going to disagree with this. I think Trump's election was made possible by an embracing of emotion over thinking. Trump is an expert at emoting, not so much at thinking. People responded to this. Why? Because they no longer know how to express themselves with words. Have you noticed that the language is degrading, this shows that people are not learning it in school. When language degrades, thinking degrades. Trump exemplifies this. Trump was elected on blind hope for those disenfranchised by the climate of learning.

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Yeah right, it's liberals that run the businesses and keep the machines running while those rabble rousing lazy career student conservatives have nothing better to do than attend protests, riots, and inaugurations.

Do you really think that productivity is delineated by political affiliation?

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The problem I see with that analysis is how much hype has been poured into flipping out over Trump's entire staff as well.

His staff are hampered by their leader.


For years and years now in nearly every political discussion I have read ends up with conservatives being, called racist, sexist, moron, you are history, get the f**k out of the way heartless bastard, you have no right to a public opinion because you are born privileged etc. They are told thier humor and ways of having fun is racist often by people priviledged in the old fashioned sense of the word. There way of lives and values are mocked on TV late night and prime time while thier actual lives have been deteriorating by purposeful policies often done gleefully. Yet people are surprised that people emotionally voted not rationally.

I agree not all liberals are like that, it is the loudmouths and SJW's that dominate especially online and there was a substantial element of the Trump vote that was bigots and bullies feeling emboldened. But emotional reaction to all these years of peoples lives mocked and degragreded by "progressives" was a factor.

Yet liberals always call for policies that would help those peoples, but the underprivileged conservatives always vote in way that go against their own interests; if their lives are hard is not fault of the liberals, it is their own for listening to wealthy peoples that only care about hoarding ever more money.


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07 May 2017, 12:04 pm

One of the trends I have noticed is that charity is used to shelter money and saddle your enemies with logistical burdens. There is some definite crossover, between the national and international brands of socialism.

Slave plantations and orphanages with forced labor have been described as charitable, in this country, but, I think, someone legitimately respectful of minorities, would not want to see them used as pawns. You wouldn't flush your prisons and hospitals, onto your national rivals, if you really loved those people.



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09 May 2017, 4:17 am

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
The problem I see with that analysis is how much hype has been poured into flipping out over Trump's entire staff as well.

His staff are hampered by their leader.


That's not what I'm talking about. You're saying the hysteria is limited to Trump and wouldn't exist if say Jeb Bush won.

But there has been hysteria over virtually everyone appointed by Trump, even before they got started. Hysteria over each individual. There was even hysteria over people who might become White House staff.

People flipping out one way or another, from the very beginning over Trump, everyone on his staff and even his wife and children.

It's always been a very bizarre case of mass hysteria and obsession.

It's like 20% of the problem is Trump and 80% is how the left has reacted to it.



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09 May 2017, 8:31 am

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But there has been hysteria over virtually everyone appointed by Trump, even before they got started. Hysteria over each individual.

Well with Flynn worry was justified. Bannon has his own history. Spencer seems like a nice guy, I hope he's making a lot of money out of this. There's the Kushners who are already benefiting financially from the Presidency. Honestly, I think Ivanka may end up in jail over the Chinese trademark deal. Pence is disgusting in his own right, but he seems genuine.



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09 May 2017, 12:12 pm

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But there has been hysteria over virtually everyone appointed by Trump, even before they got started. Hysteria over each individual. There was even hysteria over people who might become White House staff. People flipping out one way or another, from the very beginning over Trump, everyone on his staff and even his wife and children.

It's always been a very bizarre case of mass hysteria and obsession.

A hundred years from now, historians and psychologists will study public behavior during this period as a classic example of mass hysteria, like witch-manias and religious panics. And it goes well beyond Trump into the whole fabric of the contemporary Left (including academia), which in the US is gripped by a kind of manic religious hysteria.

The most famous early study of these periods of mass hysteria is Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Mackay, published in 1841 -- it's still useful today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordi ... _of_Crowds


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12 May 2017, 8:17 pm

And you thought "derangement" was just an expression. A student at Western Washington University encounters a street preacher with a Trump sign. (You may want to turn the volume down on your computer.)


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12 May 2017, 8:24 pm

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And again, if Trump is all that bad, why isn't Trudeau stepping up and taking his place as the most powerful man on the planet?

I guess that's hyperbole as the answer is obvious.


Not hyperbole. Canada is a large wealthy nation very similar to the United States in many ways. Why is it always expected to take a back seat while America is always expected to be in the driver's seat? If Trudeau is a better leader then Trump, then why isn't Trudeau and Canada more involved?

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I don't understand the sentiment expressed that no one should criticize Trump ... Americans shouldn't because he is their president and non-Americans shouldn't because it's none of their business or "rude." So is it being argued that when a person is in a leadership position they should not be open to criticism? I think this would be a bad idea, as it is those in power who most need to hear diverse opinions.


There's a difference between criticizing and relentless obsessive over the top attacking. I'm not taking about you when I say that. I mean the whole syndrome overall. It's a matter of level and frequency and attitude.


Let their tears nourish you, for we are witnessing the golden age of liberal butthurt that you will tell your grandchildren about.

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Nice! Good to see that you are still at it.
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Still the same old


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13 May 2017, 1:46 am

So, inviting Duterte to visit the WH? Talk about birds of a feather.


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19 May 2017, 3:23 pm

Biased media? What biased media?

• President Trump dominated media coverage in the outlets and programs analyzed, with Trump being the topic of 41 percent of all news stories—three times the amount of coverage received by previous presidents. He was also the featured speaker in nearly two-thirds of his coverage....

• Trump has received unsparing coverage for most weeks of his presidency, without a single major topic where Trump’s coverage, on balance, was more positive than negative, setting a new standard for unfavorable press coverage of a president.


https://shorensteincenter.org/news-cove ... -100-days/

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19 May 2017, 4:04 pm

androbot01 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
...There way of lives and values are mocked on TV late night and prime time while thier actual lives have been deteriorating by purposeful policies often done gleefully. Yet people are surprised that people emotionally voted not rationally.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Who are these people who are being mocked while the government acts against them? And what do these have to do with letting emotion rule over thought?


Sorry for the very belated answer.

Basically, the rust belt working class whites from "flyover country" that voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Trump in 2016. The mocking is a lot of "trailer park trash", "dumb hicks" committing incest type type jokes, "Grandpa" you are irrelevant type statements. If that type of mocking stereotyping were done to any other group there would be shitstorm and people fired but it is considered funny when done to this segment of the American people. The government policies that have hurt this group have been well documented.

This group that voted for Trump might have voted stupidly because of their emotion, but that does not mean they are low intelligent people necessarily or the that they did not have good reason to be emotional.

We were discussion why the election went they way it did. I was reacting to the complete shock that this cohort cast their ballot for Trump and people making the same mistakes of how they view Trump voters after the election, that led to the Trump phenomenon.


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19 May 2017, 6:46 pm

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This group that voted for Trump might have voted stupidly because of their emotion, but that does not mean they are low intelligent people necessarily or the that they did not have good reason to be emotional.

Surely the majority of Trump supporters must by now realize that Trump is not what they had thought?



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19 May 2017, 9:58 pm

androbot01 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
This group that voted for Trump might have voted stupidly because of their emotion, but that does not mean they are low intelligent people necessarily or the that they did not have good reason to be emotional.

Surely the majority of Trump supporters must by now realize that Trump is not what they had thought?

I hope that people have not given up on the Bill of Rights and transferred their loyalty to DJT.


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09 Jun 2017, 4:57 pm

Charles Krauthammer a member of the the DSM III and the man who invented the term "Derangement Syndrome" weighs in
Krauthammer: Trump Derangement Syndrome is spreading


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09 Jun 2017, 5:54 pm

A lot of articles by him on Breitbart, and I don't think anyone could seriously argue that Breitbart isn't a partisan site.



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09 Jun 2017, 6:02 pm

Krauthammer has been around way longer and been published in more than just Breitbart