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05 May 2017, 3:16 pm

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"Neurodiversity" is just a word white autistic people use to sugarcoat the fact that the big names in autistic representation are heterosexual, white, English-speaking and culturally Christian, and the relative difficulty minorities have in seeking a diagnosis. Until this problem is addressed, I don't think autism activists should claim to care about diversity. Just my two cents.


Neurodiversity is a concept based on diversity neurology not race, gender or religion. That should be self-evident.



I didn't understand Barchan's comment until you posted this. :oops:
Yeah, neurodiversity is diversity of brain structure/functioning, independent of race, sex, religion etc. It is harder for some racial/ethnic groups to get a diagnosis (and also harder for women) but that's a different issue.



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05 May 2017, 3:24 pm

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I didn't understand Barchan's comment until you posted this. :oops:
Yeah, neurodiversity is diversity of brain structure/functioning, independent of race, sex, religion etc. It is harder for some racial/ethnic groups to get a diagnosis (and also harder for women) but that's a different issue.


Asserting something doesn't make it true. It may be true but it may be not. There may be other factors such as economic background or even cultural factors within the communities.

Sticking it to white heterosexuals is terribly fashionable but I can probably name more ethic minority or gay people on the spectrum than I can from poor white groups from the south or rust belt.



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05 May 2017, 3:33 pm

I agree that it's more complex than "white males have an easier time getting a diagnosis."

The other autistic people I've met have tended to be white and from well-educated backgrounds, which fits with what I've read about diagnostic biases.



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05 May 2017, 3:56 pm

Searching for a minority within a minority within a minority. That is the problem with that sort of anecdotal observation.

It stands to reason those with resources an education may more readily seek diagnosis and a minority being a minority of those is going to be represented as a minority.

The fact of the matter those that care about representation and diversity should not deserve to bare the brunt of the resentment from those that claim to but clearly do not.

If you move to more urban and less suburban area you will meet a lot more non-white and non-heterosexual people especially if you go to meets. I have been going to meets for years and I met many. I sure that most of them of them don't want people to feel guilt on their behalf. In fact you will meet a lot more diagnosed people in cosmopolitan areas.



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05 May 2017, 4:08 pm

Also the assumption that autism activists were somehow handed their positions and didn't have to graft. Like there is a committee that decides who is suitable.

Who are that types of militant activists that we have been seeing most in universities and such? You know the ones that go on about "white heterosexuals" ad infinitum, devise a restrictive ideology and promote strong taboos around questioning most aspect of it?

You know the types of people that are privileged enough to have an education, yet resent society for it.



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06 May 2017, 3:38 am

I used to feel a bit of pressure to see myself non-binary or genderqueer, and someone on here once thought that I must be male in my head. I reject all that stuff now. It was living in a sexist society and listening to the wrong people that was getting me down.

I'm a double-you-oh-em-ay-en, thank you very much. And a fine one at that :wink:


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06 May 2017, 3:54 am

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I am sorry if my attitude upsets trans people, but I am unwilling to back down. I do want for us to find a solution that works for everyone. I don't even know if that's possible right now.


I'm on the same side of this debate as you are. I'm glad you're not backing down. I did that for too long.

You don't need to apologise to the other side, but it's very polite of you to do so. Most people on the other side would never apologise to you no matter how offended you were by what they said. That shows you something about the power dynamics of this debate. They use our female socialisation against us.


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