Can an aspie has low IQ/mental retardation?
No, you quoted the DSM then said that a delay in cognitive development meant the person was a ret*d and you've hung your entire argument on that misrepresentation ever since. We'll just need to agree to disagree.
It says a lot about you that you'll disagree and still think people are misinterpreting the ICD 10 or DSM IV even when they're experts in this field. Has it really not occurred to you that your interpretation is the incorrect one?
I'm not interpreting anything, simply pointing out that the various diagnostic criteria of AS do not mention intelligence or IQ thresholds. No single person has yet to show any evidence that the diagnostic criteria stipulates an IQ threshold. If this is such a well known thing why can no-one show any evidence of it? As for the "experts" I dare say Attwood was simplifying the clause that says if your symptoms\issues are *caused* by mental impairment then you don't have AS (obviously), but if your issues are not caused by mental impairment then it is not a bar to diagnosis. It's a subtle distinction but these things often are, that's why you need a professional to diagnose you and not someone on the internet that thinks they understand these things but don't. You need to stop turning to interpretations to try and prove your point as they are either wrong or simplified. It's a very simple task that no-one has done....show me the diagnostic criteria that mentions an IQ threshold. Do that or simply give up.
You're seriously telling me that when an article paraphrases and misinterprets some other work, that paraphrased misinterpretation is credible but the original source material is not?
Prove it. Why are you finding it so hard to simply prove this? All I am asking is for a clinical, medical definition of Aspergers or the diagnosis of Aspergers that claims you must have an IQ over 70, or that you are "not ret*d". If you can't do this then maybe you should start to question if what you are saying is correct.
We have done just that.
Every source on the web says "no cognitive delays" . No cognative delays means "not ret*d". ret*d means "IQ below 70". Ergo they ALL in effect say that you cant have an IQ below 70 and be classified as aspergers.
Please point out on this source where is says "no cognitive delays"
http://www.autism-society.org/dsm-iv-di ... fications/
Or this one
http://readingroom.mindspec.org/?page_i ... GwodFgYCSg
Or this one
http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html
Please point out on this source where is says "no cognitive delays"
http://www.autism-society.org/dsm-iv-di ... fications/
Or this one
http://readingroom.mindspec.org/?page_i ... GwodFgYCSg
Or this one
http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html
Would "delay in cognitive development" have the same meaning as "cognitive development delay"? And then would "cognitive development delay" have the same meaning as "cognitive delay"?
I'd read all these the same:
Delay in social communication development
Social communication development delay
Social communication delay
Delay in motor development
Motor development delay
Motor delay
Delay in cognitive development
Cognitive development delay
Cognitive delay
etc
What?
When they said
...they were wrong, correct?
I guess technically yeah, since you can find sources which interpret Asperger's in an odd way - the ones that say the diagnostic criteria are way out and Asperger's is actually something completely different.
So what you're saying is that you can make any claim about AS and if the official diagnostic criteria do not include that attribute you can say that the official criteria is wrong and that <insert random link you found on the internet that makes a claim that supports what you are saying> is actually more accurate? I hope it's obvious that such an argument is incredibly flawed.
Whilst I do not have an Asperger's diagnosis (I have 'high-functioning autism' according to my assessor), I would not be surprised if I have an extraordinarily low IQ.
I believe this to be the case as I am appalling at art, science, foreign languages and my reading comprehension is dreadful, too. I struggle to communicate, my brain is remarkably blank most of the time and I suspect I have an auditory sensory disorder because I NEVER remember spoken information. To put it simply, I never really know what is going on.
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So what you're saying is that you can make any claim about AS and if the official diagnostic criteria do not include that attribute you can say that the official criteria is wrong and that <insert random link you found on the internet that makes a claim that supports what you are saying> is actually more accurate? I hope it's obvious that such an argument is incredibly flawed.
I'm not saying what you think I am. Not everything on the internet about Aspergers is correct, someone on a blogging site or whatever screaming at the diagnostic criteria is still a source but it wouldn't include anything about cognitive delays, so not every source says "no cognitive delays".
However, everything listing the diagnostic criteria will say "delay in cognitive development" or equivalent in different wording, so every source of that specific type will, yeah.
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Greetings. So I believed myself that someone with Aspergers couldn't have low IQ/mental retardation/intellectual disability, but according to the "ICD-10 Guide to Mental Retardation", they can. Here is the link, and I'll quote the Asperger's Syndrome section for you.
general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. However, the diagnosis is applicable
to mentally ret*d individuals who, while having no general retardation of language, do have highly
deviant idiosyncratic or repetitive language.
http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/69.pdf
This was found on page 55 of the pdf file if anyone would like to read it themselves. I was not one to believe this before, but unless someone else has evidence disproving this article from the official WHO website, then I can't say but to agree with the person who says it can happen, but maybe not for the reasons they were arguing. Also, if I am misinterpreting this paragraph, then please explain what it actually is saying.
It could also be the case that the criteria for both of them are conflicting, so I will post both criteria below. One is from the DSM-IV (Asperger's) and the other is from the ICD-10 (mental retardation). If you would like, I can get both criteria (ie Asperger's from ICD-10 and intellectal disability DSM-V or mental retardation DSM-IV(-TR) for anyone who wants to compare each criteria to the same diagnostic book. Here are the links to each other.
Asperger's Syndrome: http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html *
Mental Retardation: http://apps.who.int/classifications/app ... ?gf70.htm+
*Note: The Asperger's Syndrome is not the from the official DSM site, but I can find a copy of the DSM-IV online, tell the page number if the above criteria does not provide enough information.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 148 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 60 of 200
You are very likely neurodiverse (Aspie)
Dx Autism Spectrum Disorder - Level 1, learning disability - memory and fine motor skills, generalized and social anxiety disorder
Unsure if diagnosed with OCD and/or depression, but were talked about with my old/former pdoc and doctor.
Criteria for my learning disability is found at this link:
http://www.ldao.ca/wp-content/uploads/LDAO-Recommended-Practices-for-Assessment-Diagnosis-Documentation-of-LDs1.pdf
general delay or retardation in language or in cognitive development. However, the diagnosis is applicable
to mentally ret*d individuals who, while having no general retardation of language, do have highly
deviant idiosyncratic or repetitive language.
http://www.who.int/mental_health/media/en/69.pdf
This was found on page 55 of the pdf file if anyone would like to read it themselves. I was not one to believe this before, but unless someone else has evidence disproving this article from the official WHO website, then I can't say but to agree with the person who says it can happen, but maybe not for the reasons they were arguing. Also, if I am misinterpreting this paragraph, then please explain what it actually is saying.
It could also be the case that the criteria for both of them are conflicting, so I will post both criteria below. One is from the DSM-IV (Asperger's) and the other is from the ICD-10 (mental retardation). If you would like, I can get both criteria (ie Asperger's from ICD-10 and intellectal disability DSM-V or mental retardation DSM-IV(-TR) for anyone who wants to compare each criteria to the same diagnostic book. Here are the links to each other.
Asperger's Syndrome: http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html *
Mental Retardation: http://apps.who.int/classifications/app ... ?gf70.htm+
*Note: The Asperger's Syndrome is not the from the official DSM site, but I can find a copy of the DSM-IV online, tell the page number if the above criteria does not provide enough information.
Wow, that's so weird. I wonder why they'd contradict their own criteria? And if any clinician would diagnose someone with intellectual disability with Asperger's?
Note also they clearly don't consider a delay in cognitive development to be the same thing as being mentally ret*d, which is the thing most people on this thread were pinning their arguments on.
Shame the mods deleted your other personal insults toward me as they'd have made apt quoting right about now too I won't hold my breath for an apology though.
Note also they clearly don't consider a delay in cognitive development to be the same thing as being mentally ret*d, which is the thing most people on this thread were pinning their arguments on.
Considering they say "however", it seems they do.
Note also they clearly don't consider a delay in cognitive development to be the same thing as being mentally ret*d, which is the thing most people on this thread were pinning their arguments on.
Considering they say "however", it seems they do.
You have repeatedly shown a very poor grasp of the English language on this thread and a very poor grasp of interpreting the English language. It really is about time you just gave up.
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