Russian Influence on U.S.
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I said they didn't deny it, not that they were bound to it.
I can't tell if those are actual facts or biased sensationalist accusations.
You honestly don't believe Alt Right white nationalists promote such ideas? Because they do.
From what I could ascertain, "alt-right" is one of many labels invented by the ctrl-left to brand people with.
I've read about Holocaust denial from several sources. And as a side note, a thing I've picked up on that I've found irritating, is leftist predilection to trivialize the Holocaust by comparing so many trivial things by comparison to it, which could suggest they don't take it seriously.
And are you saying that Breitbart has said every single non-white person in America should be deported?
People claim the Bible says that women are inferior, that it promotes gays being put to death, that it promotes slavery, that it promotes genocide etc. It's all about how someone chooses to contextualize things. If someone is anti-Bible, that's how they are going to see what the Bible says. But you being a Christian however will probably deny the Bible promotes those things.
Richard Spencer, the Nzi who got punched out on live TV, calls himself the leader of the Alt Right movement. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the notion that the Alt Right designation was an invention of the left.
No, I'm saying the Alt Right white nationalists who they give a platform for, certainly do want to see non-white Americans deported.
No, I don't deny the Bible promotes slavery, subjugation of women, and homophobia. Then again, I hardly think everything in the Bible is of equal worth, and I believe the prejudices of the Biblical writers appear in their work, despite divine inspiration.
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Oh yeah. I knew that but forgot. I got it confused with all the derogatory labels and pet names the left has invented.
No, I don't deny the Bible promotes slavery, subjugation of women, and homophobia. Then again, I hardly think everything in the Bible is of equal worth, and I believe the prejudices of the Biblical writers appear in their work, despite divine inspiration.
So all of the alt-right white nationalists are like a single minded entity? Because I know of many Christians who want to see homosexuality wiped from the face of the Earth. Who firmly believe women are inferior to men. And so on. Because their Bible says so. So shouldn't I be bothered by any publication that gives them a platform? Those are rhetorical questions of course. But at the same time it seems like I could make such a stance within reason. But anyways, is Spencer on record saying all non-white Americans should be deported? Did Breitbart ever publish that statement?
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Danielle Ryan, an Irish freelance journalist at Salon, makes a convincing argument that what they're getting on Flynn for really isn't all that impressive--the cover-up was worse than the "crime--, and that the Deep State doesn't like Trump and is trying to undermine them, in the hopes of keeping this country in a perpetual state of war, cold or hot:
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/16/is-mich ... newsletter
There's also this at the end, a threat from the top Democrat in the Senate:
Schumer was also one of the main architects of FATCA where the US forces all foreign financial institutions, even if they have no US presence, to do work for it without remuneration--wielding the dollar's reserve currency status as a stick--in order to try to "suck" as much money from abroad to back home while hurting our expats.
Schumer is a pretty rotten human being, and seems to be an ally of the Deep State. As progressives, we should not throw our support behind someone like this.
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There's also this at the end, a threat from the top Democrat in the Senate:
Schumer was also one of the main architects of FATCA where the US forces all foreign financial institutions, even if they have no US presence, to do work for it without remuneration--wielding the dollar's reserve currency status as a stick--in order to try to "suck" as much money from abroad to back home while hurting our expats.
Schumer is a pretty rotten human being, and seems to be an ally of the Deep State. As progressives, we should not throw our support behind someone like this.
But his niece, Amy, is funny and hot.
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It would stop Russia and China forming more of an alliance and keep Russia more neutral.
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For the record, I have consistently spoken out about US government interference in other people's elections, and of course various efforts by the US state governments to disenfranchise people here in the US.
Sorry. Not seen you speak much about Israeli influence on US politics. If you've condemned it could you please elaborate?
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It's a delicate subject, considering the number of wackos obsessing over it.
Israel would have an incentive to not help the US with the Russians in this case, but why bother actively doing anything. Too risky, if I had to make the call. Also, we don't know much about this Israeli government's relations with their IC. I suspect there are yarmulkes hitting desks on that side of the world with regularity at their PM's inflammatory rhetoric.
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There's talk of the white nationalists in France wanting to cut economic ties with America, and replacing them with Russia, providing they come to power. How is that possibly a good thing from our standpoint? How could Trump possibly see that as a good thing?
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I do have one other thought about the Israeli influence. If opening a discussion about the human rights of Palestinians is equivalent to calling for the destruction of the Jewish state, then I see a big fundamental problem right there. It seems like only extremists in Israel and politicians in the US take that view, so it does puzzle me. However, I have Jewish friends with a variety of political views, so I hear things which surprise me.
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Israel would have an incentive to not help the US with the Russians in this case, but why bother actively doing anything. Too risky, if I had to make the call. Also, we don't know much about this Israeli government's relations with their IC. I suspect there are yarmulkes hitting desks on that side of the world with regularity at their PM's inflammatory rhetoric.
Wackos obsessing over Russia?
Not talking about the Russians. Talking about Israeli influence on US politics.
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Israel would have an incentive to not help the US with the Russians in this case, but why bother actively doing anything. Too risky, if I had to make the call. Also, we don't know much about this Israeli government's relations with their IC. I suspect there are yarmulkes hitting desks on that side of the world with regularity at their PM's inflammatory rhetoric.
Wackos obsessing over Russia?
Not talking about the Russians. Talking about Israeli influence on US politics.
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Wackos obsess over Jews in general, and the thread is about Russians.
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Where the hell do you get your news from?
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Israel would have an incentive to not help the US with the Russians in this case, but why bother actively doing anything. Too risky, if I had to make the call. Also, we don't know much about this Israeli government's relations with their IC. I suspect there are yarmulkes hitting desks on that side of the world with regularity at their PM's inflammatory rhetoric.
Wackos obsessing over Russia?
Not talking about the Russians. Talking about Israeli influence on US politics.
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Wackos obsess over Jews in general, and the thread is about Russians.
I said nothing about Jews. Israel has real control over US politics and American Jews do too, though they are becoming divided as Israel's actions become more insane. These are just facts, but hawks try to use the racism card to bar facts being discussed.
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