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26 Feb 2017, 9:32 pm

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Tell me one or any of the things I said there that were untrue?


The glaringly obvious one is that Bin Laden was innocent of 9/11.


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28 Feb 2017, 1:07 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Tell me one or any of the things I said there that were untrue?


The glaringly obvious one is that Bin Laden was innocent of 9/11.


I didn't even say those words, though he almost certainly is. I'm not into insane conspiracy theories that some guy on dialysis in a cave can take down the US's defense system when they spend as much on defense as pretty much the whole world combined. What I said was that the Taliban said they would get him handed over to the US if they could provide evidence. Cause there isn't any evidence. People are innocent until proven guilty. In your world, the media and co can just call them a terrorist and that means they're automatically guilty.


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28 Feb 2017, 3:32 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
Tell me one or any of the things I said there that were untrue?


The glaringly obvious one is that Bin Laden was innocent of 9/11.


I didn't even say those words, though he almost certainly is. I'm not into insane conspiracy theories that some guy on dialysis in a cave can take down the US's defense system when they spend as much on defense as pretty much the whole world combined. What I said was that the Taliban said they would get him handed over to the US if they could provide evidence. Cause there isn't any evidence. People are innocent until proven guilty. In your world, the media and co can just call them a terrorist and that means they're automatically guilty.


No, it just meant there wasn't any evidence the Taliban had ever intended to accept - ever. As a millionaire in a poor country, Bin Laden was their sugar daddy, and they weren't going to throw that away.


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02 Mar 2017, 3:58 pm

OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


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02 Mar 2017, 4:04 pm

There's no debate to be had here. The words "Muslim ban" are without question unconstitutional. The supreme court's entire job is to block these things.


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02 Mar 2017, 4:33 pm

It's not a "Muslim ban" though.


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02 Mar 2017, 7:10 pm

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OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


There are people who will also insist there is no evidence that the earth is round, save for some dodgy photos allegedly taken from space.


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02 Mar 2017, 7:34 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


There are people who will also insist there is no evidence that the earth is round, save for some dodgy photos allegedly taken from space.


You and I both know the world is round. Some imbeciles get caught into believing everything is a conspiracy and they have no filter and believe everything from fakes like David Icke and Alex Jones. Then you have the other extreme that believe everything their TV tells them. I take everything as I see it. Conspiracies happen very often.


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02 Mar 2017, 10:52 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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OK, make up whatever theories you like. There's no evidence that Bin Laden did 9/11, just him denying it and then a bunch of dodgy videos and audios. Believe whatever keeps you happy.


There are people who will also insist there is no evidence that the earth is round, save for some dodgy photos allegedly taken from space.


You and I both know the world is round. Some imbeciles get caught into believing everything is a conspiracy and they have no filter and believe everything from fakes like David Icke and Alex Jones. Then you have the other extreme that believe everything their TV tells them. I take everything as I see it. Conspiracies happen very often.


I have no doubt about conspiracies happening all the time. Their problem is, most of them don't work, and the conspirators are found out.


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03 Mar 2017, 4:17 pm

Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


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03 Mar 2017, 11:56 pm

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Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


I am convinced the Kennedy Assassination was never properly investigated by the federal government because the CIA wanted to cover their collective a$$, as people in the Anti-Castro underground, and organized crime, who had worked for them as contract agents and contacts had perpetrated the crime. More than that, they had scuttled investigations by the New Orleans district attorney's office, and misdirected the investigation investigation by the House committee On Assassinations. As people who were suspected to have been involved conveniently died, some right before being subpoenaed for testimony, the perps were never able to tell their story. As the plot to kill the President appears to have been to falsely implicate Fidel Castro, prompting a new invasion of Cuba, it can be reasoned that the purpose of the conspiracy had ended in utter failure.


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05 Mar 2017, 8:30 am

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Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


I am convinced the Kennedy Assassination was never properly investigated by the federal government because the CIA wanted to cover their collective a$$, as people in the Anti-Castro underground, and organized crime, who had worked for them as contract agents and contacts had perpetrated the crime. More than that, they had scuttled investigations by the New Orleans district attorney's office, and misdirected the investigation investigation by the House committee On Assassinations. As people who were suspected to have been involved conveniently died, some right before being subpoenaed for testimony, the perps were never able to tell their story. As the plot to kill the President appears to have been to falsely implicate Fidel Castro, prompting a new invasion of Cuba, it can be reasoned that the purpose of the conspiracy had ended in utter failure.


Just one of those theories that are put out there by people like Alex Jones to intentionally spread disinformation. If the US wanted to invade Cuba, then they just would have. They were bombing factories and such anyway. The Kennedy's were going after the mob and John was going after Israel for stealing nuclear secrets from the US and looking like he was going to side with Nasser in the Middle East.


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05 Mar 2017, 11:29 am

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Yes and some people are not found out. It still hasn't come out who killed the Kennedy's. Some things are just too important ever to be reported on by the corporate media. Some of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were still alive afterwards and the media actually did issue an apology in one case, one other had died a year before.


I am convinced the Kennedy Assassination was never properly investigated by the federal government because the CIA wanted to cover their collective a$$, as people in the Anti-Castro underground, and organized crime, who had worked for them as contract agents and contacts had perpetrated the crime. More than that, they had scuttled investigations by the New Orleans district attorney's office, and misdirected the investigation investigation by the House committee On Assassinations. As people who were suspected to have been involved conveniently died, some right before being subpoenaed for testimony, the perps were never able to tell their story. As the plot to kill the President appears to have been to falsely implicate Fidel Castro, prompting a new invasion of Cuba, it can be reasoned that the purpose of the conspiracy had ended in utter failure.


Just one of those theories that are put out there by people like Alex Jones to intentionally spread disinformation. If the US wanted to invade Cuba, then they just would have. They were bombing factories and such anyway. The Kennedy's were going after the mob and John was going after Israel for stealing nuclear secrets from the US and looking like he was going to side with Nasser in the Middle East.


Not Alex Jones, but New Orleans District Attorney, Jim Garrison, who had sacrificed his very promising career and marriage over prosecuting CIA connected businessman, Clay Shaw.
Those same mob figures who Bobby Kennedy was trying to put in prison were also working hand in glove with the CIA's Anti-Castro assassination plots, and shared their low level rank-and-file with the Anti-Castro underground, as the mob had lost a lot of money in casinos and drug trade when Cuba went communist.
People who Oswald had had contact with in New Orleans, such as David Ferrie, and Guy Banister, were associated with the Cuban exile far right and the CIA, as well as the local mob boss, Carlos Marcello, rather than with Israel.


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05 Mar 2017, 2:39 pm

Yes.
Theories about Oswald being involved come from people like Jones. The Israeli nukes issue is separate.


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05 Mar 2017, 5:34 pm

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Theories about Oswald being involved come from people like Jones. The Israeli nukes issue is separate.


The people I'm talking about were originally named by Jim Garrison in his New Orleans investigation and failed prosecution back in the 1960's. If Jones talks about it at all, it's because of the research done by far more honorable and sane investigators like Garrison. It was in the 1970's that the House Select Committee On Assassinations believed Carlos Marcello and the New Orleans Mafia had been involved, again predating Jones.


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08 Mar 2017, 4:07 pm

I spoke to someone who knows a lot about the subject and he said Garrison was "all over the place".


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