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22 Feb 2017, 9:58 pm

I notice reading around the forums on wrong planet, that lots of adults first self diagnose and then consciously seek an asd diagnosis. My experience was more along the lines of seeing a psychiatrist to review preexisting mental health issues and then being told that I also satisfied the criteria for aspergers (asd level 1) and adhd.

The problems I'd arranged to review, were long standing issues with anxiety (GAD and social anxiety) and depression (dysthymia). This was also after a really unhelpful period of psychotherapy in which I was told the source of my difficulties were psychological trauma. I figured it was time to get a full review of what was going on with me psychologically from someone else and figure out if I should still stay on anti-depressants. Hence the psychiatrist.

Anyone else have a similar unexpected diagnosis after seeking help for what turned out to be comorbid issues? I'm wondering if I'm just really passive about my mental health care, compared to the many proactive wrong planet users.

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23 Feb 2017, 8:24 am

That could very well be why it was easier for you to be diagnosed with ASD.

It seems as if some people who "self-diagnose" go through sort of a Catch-22. They might be precluded from obtaining the diagnosis because of their acute insight into the disorder.

Sort of like saying one cannot be crazy if one knows one is crazy.



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23 Feb 2017, 10:10 am

Welcome to Wrong Planet

The diagnosis must have been quite the shock. Part of the condition often involves reacting emotionally to situations in an atypical way. My advice is let your autistic brain do what it needs to do to process this.

We have people really knowlegeable and exprerienced with the Autism Spectrum here so feel free to ask questions no matter how embarrassing they may seem.


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23 Feb 2017, 7:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
That could very well be why it was easier for you to be diagnosed with ASD.

It seems as if some people who "self-diagnose" go through sort of a Catch-22. They might be precluded from obtaining the diagnosis because of their acute insight into the disorder.

Sort of like saying one cannot be crazy if one knows one is crazy.

Hi Kraftiekortie,

Thanks for your reply. Yes that's interesting. Haha, lack of insight was helpful then. I suppose its also true that lots of clinicians get unfairly defensive when people turn up and tell them they are already fairly certain what their problem is!

To be fair, I suspected that there was a broader context to my problems that hadn't been correctly explained yet. That's part of what motivated me to seek further advice. But I think I also had some good luck in that the psychiatrist I'm seeing has a special interest in the autism spectrum and sees a number of other adults on the spectrum regularly. I didn't realize this before the fact of course. Serendipity!

I get the impression other late diagnoses in Australia can be as painful as they are in the US and Europe.

Hey btw, how did your nick originate? Does it have a particular meaning?

Thanks :)



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23 Feb 2017, 7:48 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Welcome to Wrong Planet

The diagnosis must have been quite the shock. Part of the condition often involves reacting emotionally to situations in an atypical way. My advice is let your autistic brain do what it needs to do to process this.

We have people really knowlegeable and exprerienced with the Autism Spectrum here so feel free to ask questions no matter how embarrassing they may seem.


Thanks for your reply ASPartOfMe,

I suppose it was. Luckily I'm having follow up sessions with the psychiatrist who diagnosed me. Thats been really helpful and I feel really grateful, given the shocking experiences that a lot of older adults seem to have had.

Also I'm engaging in my usual response to new information, which is to engage in lots of reading and research. Its a bit of an anxiety avoidance strategy, but I think its also been really helpful reading about other people's experiences on here. I'm just making baby steps to interact with people on here also! Hence this post.

Thanks again :)



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24 Feb 2017, 2:27 am

Copernicus wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Welcome to Wrong Planet

The diagnosis must have been quite the shock. Part of the condition often involves reacting emotionally to situations in an atypical way. My advice is let your autistic brain do what it needs to do to process this.

We have people really knowlegeable and exprerienced with the Autism Spectrum here so feel free to ask questions no matter how embarrassing they may seem.


Thanks for your reply ASPartOfMe,

I suppose it was. Luckily I'm having follow up sessions with the psychiatrist who diagnosed me. Thats been really helpful and I feel really grateful, given the shocking experiences that a lot of older adults seem to have had.

Also I'm engaging in my usual response to new information, which is to engage in lots of reading and research. Its a bit of an anxiety avoidance strategy, but I think its also been really helpful reading about other people's experiences on here. I'm just making baby steps to interact with people on here also! Hence this post.

Thanks again :)


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24 Feb 2017, 2:34 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
That could very well be why it was easier for you to be diagnosed with ASD.

It seems as if some people who "self-diagnose" go through sort of a Catch-22. They might be precluded from obtaining the diagnosis because of their acute insight into the disorder.

Sort of like saying one cannot be crazy if one knows one is crazy.


I once encountered a schizophrenic lady in the midst of a psychotic episode in which she was having an argument about schizophrenia with the voices she was hearing.



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01 Mar 2017, 4:22 am

My diagnosis definitely came as a shock to me. I was seeing a psychologist so she could help me with an eating disorder / anxiety. This psychologist suggested I might be on the autism spectrum and referred me to someone for an assessment. I had a few preconceived notions about autism based on a noel I once read and because of this I didn't think I had autism at all. I am very different from the character in the book I read (who was none verbal / severely disabled) and I didn't even consider that I could be diagnosed with the same thing (though obviously at a very different level). The psychologist who was going to do the assessment told me not to research autism beforehand as it could bias the results so this story was pretty much all I knew. I was sure she was going to say I didn't have it or if I did have it, I would barely qualify. I was shocked that after filling in some forms, interviewing me and interviewing my parents she diagnosed me as being on the spectrum. I was also really surprised as my score was a lot higher than I thought it would be (on the questionnaire I did anything over 65 is considered being on the spectrum and I got 135). I only got diagnosed this week so I am still processing it all. I know realistically it doesn't change anything in my day to day life, but I still feel rather overwhelmed and disoriented as a result. I have been doing some reading on ASD since though and feel like I have a slightly better grasp on things. In a way I am glad I didn't know much before as I do think it could have influenced my answers. It is a strange thing to try and get your head around though.



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01 Mar 2017, 11:44 pm

Just_Libby wrote:
My diagnosis definitely came as a shock to me. I was seeing a psychologist so she could help me with an eating disorder / anxiety. This psychologist suggested I might be on the autism spectrum and referred me to someone for an assessment. I had a few preconceived notions about autism based on a noel I once read and because of this I didn't think I had autism at all. I am very different from the character in the book I read (who was none verbal / severely disabled) and I didn't even consider that I could be diagnosed with the same thing (though obviously at a very different level). The psychologist who was going to do the assessment told me not to research autism beforehand as it could bias the results so this story was pretty much all I knew. I was sure she was going to say I didn't have it or if I did have it, I would barely qualify. I was shocked that after filling in some forms, interviewing me and interviewing my parents she diagnosed me as being on the spectrum. I was also really surprised as my score was a lot higher than I thought it would be (on the questionnaire I did anything over 65 is considered being on the spectrum and I got 135). I only got diagnosed this week so I am still processing it all. I know realistically it doesn't change anything in my day to day life, but I still feel rather overwhelmed and disoriented as a result. I have been doing some reading on ASD since though and feel like I have a slightly better grasp on things. In a way I am glad I didn't know much before as I do think it could have influenced my answers. It is a strange thing to try and get your head around though.


Hi Just_libby,

Thanks for replying to my post. Its hard digesting a new diagnosis. Specially one that feels large and complicated, like ASD. I feel like I am going through a process of reassessing my past really. Its kind of odd, I think at the moment, I'm reassessing my life in the light of the ASD diagnosis. Not sure if I should see it as central, because I have some issues with ADHD as well. Nevertheless it feels central to me.

I've found reading about other people's experiences on here, has been really great. So many different experiences and perspectives. I've been using google to find older conversations. Its helped to provide perspective and context. Amazon has also be really great. Lots of useful kindle books.

Sounds like your psychologist was really helpful. I think we are quite lucky in Australia and New Zealand to have more access to clinicians who have an awareness of adult autism. It seems like in some countries you have to pay up front for most mental health services and diagnoses.

How's it all going now? :)



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02 Mar 2017, 9:08 pm

I'm going through something similar: though I have been diagnosed as a child, my parents decided to keep it from me. They never told me anything until about some months ago, when, out of mere curiosity, I asked my mother whether my first psychologist, who had treated me since I was 4, had made any diagnosis. She reluctantly told me that she had: a pervasive developmental disorder. I didn't know what it meant, but I googled it and found out.

At the beginning I got depressed about it: it was one thing to know I was weird and had no friends, and a very different one to know that I would be like that forever. However, I willed myself to get out of bed and stay active, which helped me recover quite quickly.

Now I'm a bit excited, doing research and analyzing my past, trying to understand myself better. Overall, I'm still somewhat shocked, even after knowing about it for 2 months, and I would have liked it better if my parents had been open about it. Now I feel they don't accept me as I am. I guess that they hoped that if I never found out I was an aspie I would learn how to be an NT in time. Needless to say, it didn't happen.


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03 Mar 2017, 2:18 am

Hi Sofisol612,

Maybe you need to ask your parents about their reasons for not telling you. Since they made sure you had psychological support, they may have felt that it would be easier for you as a kid not to have a stigmatised label like PDD-NOS, or autism.

That said, I think its great to have the diagnosis now since it means you can access other people's stories and coping strategies. This site seems to be a great place to find both of those things.I think lots of people use it for trouble shooting life problems too. Which is really very cool.

:)



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05 Mar 2017, 4:49 am

Copernicus - I definitely get what you mean about reassessing your life in light of the diagnosis. I am going through exactly the same thing. A lot of things that I couldn't explain about myself before make sense now. I am still struggling a bit to get my head around it all but it doesn't feel as shocking as it did at first. It is still playing on my mind a lot though and I am getting fed up of going over and over it all in my brain. I think I'll get use to the idea in time though and it won't dominate my thoughts the way it is now. I am looking forward to reading more about other peoples experiences too. The psychologist who assessed me said she would send me through a list of some good resources so I will be glad when she does and I can get some more information. It is great that NZ / Australia do have a public health system. I am seeing my psychologist and got my assessment done privately though so did (and do with my psychologist) have to pay up front. How are you finding things now? Are you finding that you have adjusted to the idea? Has getting diagnosed been helpful?

Solfisol612 - I totally relate to what you said about feeling depressed knowing that you would likely struggle with making friends forever. That was my first response too. Before this I had thought that people not liking me was a reflection on my character. While this wasn't a happy thought it was something I felt I could change which gave me hope things could be different in the future. I was really upset when I realised this wasn't the case. I have realised now though that getting a diagnosis (or in your case finding out about an existing one) might actually be a good thing. For one thing it stops me holding onto a false hope and lets me see the situation as it truly is. Secondly it doesn't necessarily mean I will be lonely forever. It just lets me change my expectations and allows me to find strategies / ways to build connections with others in a way that works for me. My social circle may look different to the ideals that are held up in popular culture but it doesn't mean that I can't be fulfilled and happy in my own way. I very much doubt that your parents decision to not disclose your diagnosis to you was because they didn't accept you as you were. I am sure they love you very much and 100% accept you. I imagine they just didn't want you to be held back or defined by a label. That they saw you as so much more than a diagnosis and didn't want you to put limitation on yourself (or have other people place them on you) as a result. I am sure they just wanted what was best for you and judged (perhaps wrongly) that they were doing the right thing. Even if they made the wrong call I bet they did it with the best intentions.



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05 Mar 2017, 11:56 pm

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Copernicus - I definitely get what you mean about reassessing your life in light of the diagnosis. I am going through exactly the same thing. A lot of things that I couldn't explain about myself before make sense now. I am still struggling a bit to get my head around it all but it doesn't feel as shocking as it did at first. It is still playing on my mind a lot though and I am getting fed up of going over and over it all in my brain. I think I'll get use to the idea in time though and it won't dominate my thoughts the way it is now. I am looking forward to reading more about other peoples experiences too. The psychologist who assessed me said she would send me through a list of some good resources so I will be glad when she does and I can get some more information. It is great that NZ / Australia do have a public health system. I am seeing my psychologist and got my assessment done privately though so did (and do with my psychologist) have to pay up front. How are you finding things now? Are you finding that you have adjusted to the idea? Has getting diagnosed been helpful?


Hi Just_Libby,

I've adjusted to the idea, but I'm not entirely clear about what it means yet. I'm rather obsessively reading various old posts from Wrong Planet, as well as various books on ASD. Because I was diagnosed with ADHD at the same time, I'm also reading a bunch of stuff about managing ADHD. Its not a simple thing I suppose. I'm searching for any new ideas/methods I can use to improve my life. I've also watched a bunch of YouTube videos. I tend to obsessively research new things like this.

And of course it has provided a completely new way of looking at my problems with anxiety, stress and depression, as well as communication of course. My previous therapist was convinced that my problems were the result of childhood psychological trauma. A very different perspective. Like quite a few people here I have quite a messy collection of associated problems. I have quite a lot of problems with anxiety in particular.

Its been very helpful finding Wrong Planet. The psychiatrist who diagnosed me recommended it to me.

:)