Do you, a free person, see Muslim females as slaves?

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Again it's something that only exist in the islamist sharia countries, where the dower is really treated as a bride price. I am not denying that women are treated as slaves in countries such as : Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, the conservative communities of Iran, and some parts of Pakistan and maybe in the poorest class of Sudan.

In the less conservative countries, you may still find Dower tradition; they call it a 'mahr'.

Dower means the amount paid by groom to bride, dowry is the opposite, according to dictionary.

Some pre-islamic traditions in non-really-Arab Arabized civilizations still remain: Traditionally, in Egypt for instance, at least among the non-MB and non-salafist people; the bride or her family often bring dowry to marriage often to cover the wedding costs yet the groom may contribute, while groom/his family covers the housing costs as dower yet the groom's family may contribute too, furniture and others costs are usually divided; so it's a dual system of dower/dowry and often negotiable. Doesn't it ring a bell? In lebanon for instance, the mahr is symbolic, almost all costs are divided especially among the middle class yet the groom usually contribute more; even among Christians, the men often contribute more.

So it's like a price tag being put on a bride in some market; yet some greedy brides or greedy parents may treat it as such if they feel their daughter is so desirable.


As for the child brides, the info on Mohammad's child bride comes as a shock to most moderate Muslims; a lot also deny it and convince themselves with specific interpretations that claim she was 16 or 19, not 9.

Again I tell you, most muslims don't know really their religion.

This was a social experiment in a Sunni-majority area in Beirut, the old man, the cemeraman and the child are actors- click on CC to read the english translations, watch it to the end:

Job 2;3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.'

God admitting he was moved to do evil by Satan.

So much for God being good.

You can blame the hit man Satan alone but to ignore the one who paid for the hit would be you not wanting to face reality and you would be showing poor morals by exonerating your evil demiurge.

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DL

Again, thanks for the good info.

That clip may have been staged but it shows all too well the reality of old Muslim men marrying children who likely have no choice and who are definitely too young to make an intelligent choice.

Regards
DL

Not really, just Barchan.

She is no longer Muslim anymore; finally.

We have no business telling other people how to live.

And also ....