The "islamophobia" narrative & the Left's double standard

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The media etc's aim is to make people hate Muslims, as they are our 'enemy'. Though the policies of "rubbing the right's nose in diversity" and "rendering their argument's out of date" are a deliberate ploy, some of these 'leftists' actually support these policies and believe in them

Thanks for the video, Boo.

This is what I have been thinking for a long time.

What I find particularly hideous is how Muslim freethinkers are betrayed by the political establishment, both left and right. There are lots of people on the left who term people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali "extremists", yet she has never called for the killing of anyone. Much like the "militant atheists" who are apparently "militant" because they loudly disagree with religious people.

I think this is a fairly simple question. You defend the person being threatened with murder, never mind religion. All religions die of old age anyway, the trouble is that they survive much longer than people.

And the term "Islamophobia" is absurd. Are we no longer allowed to criticise ideas? That is the end of Western civilisation right there.

so because he's intolerant of intolerance(lol?), he must be intolerant of everything else? uh ok. that's some silly logic you're employing.

This is a big problem with the mainstream left.

They erroneously believe that tolerance is a virtue. It isn't. Why be tolerant of a hateful ideology?

In many Muslim countries I would be executed, jailed, or murdered with impunity just for being gay. Why should I be tolerant of them or their backwards beliefs?

Islam is disgusting.

unlimited tolerance is like communism, sounds good on paper but it's far murkier in practice, and not everyone on the left believes in unlimited tolerance fyi(tumblr not being counted here).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance <- more info

Would you agree that the mainstream left is over tolerant. I say that as a Liberal myself.

I said it wasn't in my post you're quoting...

His idea of 'intolerance' is views he disagrees with. You realise that tolerating something, isn't meant to be something pleasant? Hence why you need 'tolerance' to see past it? Maybe you should look up the word tolerance.

now you're just putting words in KK's mouth, as he didn't say that at all .
additionally i think you're conflating being accepting [of someone else's views and culture] with being tolerant. the first implies that you're ok with _, the latter doesn't.

Sorry

Christianity is disgusting too, by the same logic.

Did you see Jesus throw gays of buildings?

Jesus probably didn't do that, but Christians burned Cathars, labeled blacks as having no souls, burned peoples accused of witchcraft, justified wars against non-believers and various other vile things. Of course not all Christians did that, and many were even opposed to such acts, but the same could be said of Muslims. If you don't know about the bad things made in the name of nearly all religions through history, it would be about time you learn about history.

I don't think labeling blacks without souls was for religious reasons but political reasons so they could enslave black people. Which makes the Christian faith have no influence on that act, rather they had to actually bypass Scripture that's why they said blacks have no soul. Doing these things you said Christians do are very un-Christlike behaviour. And this behaviour isn't approved of by Jesus Christ, Son of God. The very one Christians claim to follow. Ofcourse you could also use this in defense of Islam but key difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muhammed and his god approves of all the actions commited by terrorist group IS and not only that but even encourages people to do these things, by promising a reward for those who die in battle in the name of their god.

And Jesus also set up an example in the way he lived. For Christians to follow, Jesus is what the perfect Christian would look like. And Jesus didn't throw gays of buildings so a perfect Christian also wouldn't throw gays of buildings. Not saying that Christians can't do bad stuff, believe me they can.

I think their are some real issues associated with Arab Muslim immigration to Europe. It has created an underclass these countries were not prepared to provide for. In some cases Islam has created a sense of cultural resentment which combines with a lack of opportunities can lead someone to lash out against society. I also think Islamaphobia is a problem however and I don't think the far right has the answer. Especially due to the fact that their is already a large Islamic population living in these European countries.

Islamaphobia is a significant problem worldwide even here in Liberal New Zealand. It is a worldwide phenomenon - in Quebec a White Supremacist recently shot Muslims in a mosque. This is a serious issue and it is taking the world by storm. I hope eventually, Geert Wilders doesn't become prime minister because I know that should it happen all hell will break loose.

This man has promised to ban the koran, the hijab and tear down the mosques. If this person comes into power this country risks alienating its Muslim population. Such an action will not only result in the subsequent oppression of Muslims, but also it will create the very thing they fighting against.

Recently I watched an interview with a former Islamic extremist and Bill Maher (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw1TLVKadzg.) I found the experience to be deeply fascinating; one of the most fundamental reasons for why people get driven into the hands of Isis and Al-Qaeda is because of a sense of oppression and anger at their group's mistreatment. Electing Geert Wilders will only give legitimacy to the idea that Western Democracy is fighting their culture.

I would like to see us all end the war on Islam and promote cultural change in their society through other means. Make our mantra acceptance of diversity so that they will see our culture as being good and something to respect. This will not only bring people together, help end home-grown terrorism, but also hopefully increase their desire to assimilate as they see becoming part of us as being a good thing. We can only encourage people to join us if they see the values we hold as being good.

Promote change in the Islamic world by highlighting issues not waging a war on religion. I believe this can work. In Pakistan they voted in Prime Minister, Bhutto after she promised to repeal oppressive Islamic laws. If her stance was different and she attacked Islam she only would have alienated people and never have created any change in her country.

The core reason for this is because good people campaigned to make their world a better place and got Muslims on their side. We have to promote cultural change in the Islamic world but we have to make it a campaign to fight for them not against their Muslim identity.

There is also an assumption throughout the world that the Muslim world is barbaric. I believe this could not be further from the truth. It is purely dependent on each region. Tunisia just voted in a Secularist government, in Turkey they have Sharia law abolished.

In Iran there is a large movement of moderates that aim to take back society from hardliners. Just look at their 2009 elections and the level of backlash against their own Islamist government. It is very clear there are a large number of people even in the most conservative Islamic countries that dislike their oppressive governments. We have to work with them, not paint Muslims with the same dismal brush. In fact in the US you are more likely to die from a White Supremacist than an Islamic citizen of that country.