"House of Representatives pull health care bill"

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At least all Canadians, regardless of wealth, can get health care for themselves and their families, instead of having to choose between medical care and eating.

Sounds good to me.

They ration healthcare in Canada.

They use "waiting lists".

It's common knowledge in Michigan, that Canadians cross the border so they can get surgery-type care.

That's the sucky part of single-payer. You pay enormous taxes and get rationed care.

In my experience, people in Michigan feel sorry for Canadians having such sucky healthcare. Of course, we are a union state with the infamous "cadillac health care" plans.

"Healthcare wait times hit 20 weeks in 2016: report"
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/healthcare ... -1.3171718


http://www.investors.com/politics/edito ... than-ever/

That doesn't mean we have to follow their mistakes. The goal is free health care for everyone on demand.

I have heard many times the main reason why Canada has such strict limitations on immigration, is to keep Americans from moving there to take advantage of their health care system.

I would also say probably a large part of the problem with setting up socialized medicine in America is, the continuing 1950's paranoid fear of Russia and anything remotely resembling socialism/communism.

Could very well be, on both counts.

What do you mean that Canadian healthcare is rationed?

If your need is critical you get moved to the head of any waiting list.

As shown above, all these people are critical, they are waiting for surgery and special care.

Living in Michigan, I have heard many stories of Canadians spared death, by being able to get to the US for care.

"Canadians Increasing coming to the US for care"
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countr ... ealth-care

"Research has repeatedly indicated that wait times for medically necessary treatment are not benign inconveniences. Wait times can, and do, have serious consequences such as increased pain, suffering, and mental anguish. In certain instances, they can also result in poorer medical outcomes—transforming potentially reversible illnesses or injuries into chronic, irreversible conditions, or even permanent disabilities. In many instances, patients may also have to forgo their wages while they wait for treatment, resulting in an economic cost to the individuals themselves and the economy in general".
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies ... anada-2016

Here's an older estimate of the number of Canadians that die while on the "wait list"...
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/d ... canada.pdf

"estimate the number of Canadian lives that may have been lost to increases in wait times between 1993 and 2009, a period during which wait times for medically necessary elective care lengthened considerably. We find that, over this 16-year period, increases in wait times for The Effect of Wait Times on Mortality in Canada medically necessary elective treatment may be associated with 44,273 additional female deaths (with a 95% confidence interval from 25,456 to 63,090). This represents approximately 2.5% of total female deaths during the periodor 1.2% of total mortality (male and female) during the period. Further, over a 15-year period from 1994 to 2009 changes in wait times for cardiovascular care are associated with approximately 662 potentially
avoidable deaths (with a 95% confidence interval from 35 to 1,289)".

I see it as mostly theater, what other purpose would an artificial deadline have? It's all negotiation. Paul Ryan was given a chance to do what he wanted with healthcare but he couldn't get the votes, now he's weaker & possibly on the way out and I don't think Trump or his team is mourning the loss of someone so disloyal. It's interesting to note that Trump is opening himself up to working with Democrats on healthcare, something will get done eventually and it's better to get it right then rush thru something that doesn't even work.

I do not see that happaning. Any Democrat that dares work with Trump will feel the wrath of and will be politically and maybe physically hurt by the what can be very loosly called the Bernie and regressive left wings of the party. We are in a zero sum game era of American politics where compromise equates to bieng a traitor, where people are more then willing to intentionally hurt people because they deserve it, to utterly destroy the credibility of the opposition for the purpose of bieng proven right and gaining power.

It's getting to the point where people will demand a dictator-like strongman, there is no other way to effectively govern when the other side so diametrically opposes you. The issue isn't so much the Democrats whose stupidity is obvious and knows no bounds but the backstabbers in the GOP who only pretend to be your friend. If the people's desperation won't be heard by the election of Donald Trump then eventually the people's desperation will force them to listen

How hypocritical Bernie "I have 3 mansions and pay a 13% tax rate" Sanders is, he merely carries water for the corrupt Democratic establishment which he has fully embraced in his decades long lust for relevancy & power. Bernie Sanders, the self-proclaimed civil rights champion and enemy of hate, who immediately following those civil rights battles moved to lily white Vermont where he didn't see another PoC for several decades. He is quite literally a tool, a tool for decades old establishment players to claim anew in the same old corrupt Democratic party.

How do you know Bernie moved to Vermont because it's lily white?

Oh it's just a casual observance, I just found it funny how they so highlighted his 'civil rights' credentials(which came about out of desperation against Hillary because he couldn't crack the minority vote) considering his real world experiences. Why did Bernie only have the support of privileged white liberals?

There were at least a few black celebrities who had supported Bernie. I think many ethnic minorities remembered what a friend they had had in Clinton's husband, my namesake, Bill, and were nostalgic for the past.