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04 May 2017, 7:16 pm

The format of this thread is similar to the NT/AS hotline thread in the General Autism Discussion folder. This gives those people outside of parties such as the US Democrats, UK Labour, Aus. Labour, etc., or of differing factions within those parties, to ask questions in order to clear up confusions or misconceptions about certain policy issues.

Since I want this to be a learning experience, I would like to see a far higher degree of civility than what is usually seen in PPR, because I don't want to see this thread be locked.

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07 May 2017, 3:07 am

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Well these threads have had no replies. I think that's very telling. Neither liberals nor conservatives care to understand the other side...or at least don't think anything constructive would come of it.

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07 May 2017, 3:37 am

Chronos wrote:

Well these threads have had no replies. I think that's very telling. Neither liberals nor conservatives care to understand the other side...or at least don't think anything constructive would come of it.

That first bit's rather harsh. But you're correct in that political 'conversations' inevitably lead to incivility, which the OP has clearly forbidden.

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07 May 2017, 6:55 am

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Or perhaps people with ASDs aren't interested in vaguely defined contrivances. Unnecessary thread is unnecessary.

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07 May 2017, 8:45 am

Why are some liberals so obsessed with identity politics nowadays?

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07 May 2017, 1:52 pm

The Labour Party isn't a liberal party (it's a coalition of socialists and centre-left authoritarians that was created largely to resist liberalism), the Labor Party is only liberal by Australia's low standards, and while the Democratic Party contains most American liberals, it's also home to the same block as the Labour Party and "liberal conservatives".

Better examples of liberal parties would be En Marche!, the Lib Dems, D66, the Canadian Liberal Party, and the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland.

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Why are some liberals so obsessed with identity politics nowadays?

To be honest conservatives seem to be the ones who care the most. Liberals just react to conservative attempts to restrict the freedom of their unfavoured groups, because liberals know that freedom applies to all equally.

Some socialists do try to tie in all sorts of things with their class struggle, but generally socialists focus on class at the expense of everything else.

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07 May 2017, 3:12 pm

When you say liberal, do you mean real liberals or illiberal neo-progressives?

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07 May 2017, 5:42 pm

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the Labor Party is only liberal by Australia's low standards

I didn't realise we're so conservative :lol:

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07 May 2017, 5:44 pm

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When you say liberal, do you mean real liberals or illiberal neo-progressives?

If you're not a real liberal, you canney be a true scotsman!

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07 May 2017, 5:52 pm

The_Walrus wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

Why are some liberals so obsessed with identity politics nowadays?

To be honest conservatives seem to be the ones who care the most.

you're right that the reactionary neocon kiddies talk about identity politics more than anyone else.

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Some socialists do try to tie in all sorts of things with their class struggle, but generally socialists focus on class at the expense of everything else.

Focusing on class would be just fine. It is the poor who are most disadvantaged. I especially hate when the poor are blamed for not taking advantage of their non-existent social mobility. It's victim blaming at it's finest.

I think some use identity politics so they can claim they're disadvantaged when they're middle class. Class privilege trumps all.

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08 May 2017, 1:05 am

adifferentname wrote:

Chronos wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Or perhaps people with ASDs aren't interested in vaguely defined contrivances. Unnecessary thread is unnecessary.

The presence of other partisan threads refutes that.

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08 May 2017, 7:33 pm

Chronos wrote:

Neither liberals nor conservatives care to understand the other side...or at least don't think anything constructive would come of it.

I don't believe that's the case----I believe no one had responded to this thread (at the time, you posted) because we already know how both sides feel about most issues, as we've read alot of the other threads; and, therefore, feel there's no reason to ask.

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08 May 2017, 8:22 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

the Labor Party is only liberal by Australia's low standards

I didn't realise we're so conservative :lol:

That's not a no true Scotsman. There is an actual definition of liberalism, and many of the people who are called "liberals" are anything but.

From Dictionary.com:

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Liberalism -- a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

The mainstream left are not liberals anymore. They are collectivists neo-progressives.

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09 May 2017, 6:18 am

I do try to see the conservative viewpoint; in fact, I actually have conservative views.

I'm a boring Centrist. I care more about my immediate community, usually, than about such things as "identity politics" and political ideology.

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09 May 2017, 12:17 pm

Chronos wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Chronos wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Or perhaps people with ASDs aren't interested in vaguely defined contrivances. Unnecessary thread is unnecessary.

The presence of other partisan threads refutes that.

Nope.

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09 May 2017, 8:57 pm

adifferentname wrote:

Chronos wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Chronos wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Or perhaps people with ASDs aren't interested in vaguely defined contrivances. Unnecessary thread is unnecessary.

The presence of other partisan threads refutes that.

Nope.

You're welcome to elaborate if you wish. I enjoy reading your perspectives.

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