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funeralxempire
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22 May 2017, 12:00 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
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RetroGamer87 wrote:
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Of course, companies themselves are effectively command economies ran like a dictatorship. Democratic self-management of firms that compete within a market economy would also qualify as a form of socialism, but not one that has been attempted on a large scale.
True. A communist state and a corporation are very similar. Don't like big corporations? Imagine a corporation as big as the country. 

Corporations exploit their workers so they can pay dividends just like communist states exploit their workers so they can buy more MIG fighters. 


This is why the term 'state capitalist' is much more appropriate for those states than 'communist' is. By their own admission they're not communist, only socialist states ran by Communist parties. A Communist party has no need to exist in a communist state, this creates a conflict of interest which is only one of many reasons why Leninism isn't viable.


The original manifesto (which everyone likes to argue, but probably only 5% arguing have actually read), argues for a one party system, it wasn't a Lenin concept at all. That said, a core tenant was actually representative democracy which we have yet to see in a Communist regime (hence the reason we call them Communist regimes and not Communist democracies). The reasoning Marx gives for one party is purely to prevent the partisan gridlock the republics of his time experienced (yeah, it's still around :wall: ).


Lenin introduced the notion of 'democratic centralism' which is about as undemocratic notion as one can come up with.

That's not really what I'm criticizing though. I'm saying an entity that exists to destroy itself is unlikely to ever follow through with that goal. That's the conflict of interest I'm describing.


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24 May 2017, 6:12 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Lenin introduced the notion of 'democratic centralism' which is about as undemocratic notion as one can come up with.
A lot of undemotratic things have democratic in the title. Like the Democratic Republic of Congo and the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.


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