Why are adult women not as nice?

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23 May 2017, 10:35 am

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I don't like insecure girls, but I'm also not into monogamy. So, cheating for me is not to show interest in somebody else, but to break up from a commitment because of somebody else.

Some people practice polygamy, admittedly.



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23 May 2017, 2:36 pm

The question is not directed at me personally --

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Could you explain to me, in your own words, what a ND courtship and culture is and should be?

Ideally, all empty virtue-signaling. Then, snowballs into a competition, without a unitary executive.

Private school girls were asking soap-opera like questions, about prenuptials and intrigues, by grammar school. Use a stereotype. It won't hurt.

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23 May 2017, 11:57 pm

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Look at it this way. As a kid, I lived largely in my own little solitary bubble. Other kids played games on the playground together, had best friends in their classes, and some wrestled/touched each other, so they experienced some kind of bodily connection that way. Many of them played "show me your pee-pee" games, so they actually took part in sexual (NOT adultly-sexual, but more proto-sexual) curiosity with another person. I missed all of that, just sitting on the swings by myself contemplating the universe and/or bouncing balls against walls and musing about the physics of how they ricocheted off of things.
Unlike a lot of aspies, I actually had friends as a kid. We didn't do anything "proto-sexual". The closest we (all boys) came to it was urinating on an anthill together. What I did completely miss out on was the awkward but incredibly fun teenage proto-sexuality. Stuff like slow-dancing, "spin the bottle", holding hands in a clumsy way, etc. I was able to catch up on college hook-ups by paying escorts, but I resigned myself to never catching up on the teenage stuff. Until last year, after I lost over 10% of my hair and 2 teeth. I found it through an unlikely source: Tinder. The app that was developed as a hook-up service for alpha males and women, not beta males. Somehow, I ended up meeting a girl there, who later became a very good friend. Me and her do a lot of that teenage stuff: slow-dance, hold hands, cuddle, etc. Nothing more. A part of me feels guilty for playing catch-up through her. But another part of me is very happy to have met her.

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I had my first kiss in my mid 20s, with an aspie girl I found very unattractive, but she seemed to be the only person who was where I was, interpersonal-developmentally speaking. That was shortly followed by other sexual touch, and then similar with another, also unattractive aspie girl. From these I learned that it wasn't JUST sex that I wanted, it was also curiosity and/or romance, and that just having sex with someone who was consenting but unattractive in other ways was unsatisfying. In other words, I changed.
I had my first kiss at age 20, at a drunken frat party in a bar in another town. I never learned her name and was too drunk to know she looked like. But the electrifying sexuality of my first kiss (with tongue) and the feeling of her body under my hands (through clothes) hit my brain like a high-volage power line. My first sexual intercourse, however, was with an escort. It lacked that "innocent discovery" feeling, which I was very much looking for, but I was able to partially replicate that later, through escorts that allowed low-level fetishes. Heck, I even had an "innocent discovery" experience last year, when I went to an escort convention in one of the worst neighborhoods in my city. I kissed four escorts, and danced with many of them. (Well, maybe not that innocent. :wink:) I'm pretty sure only the alpha-est men can top that! For free, at least.

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With "NT-cultured" women, I feel like someone has written 50 pages of a novel already, and I'm jumping in as a co-author on page 51, having to use the characters, setting, and writing conventions the other author has already been developing for the last 50 pages, having to take on faith that she's a good author and chose wisely, and having to give up ever developing my own plot line or writing a novel truly of my own (or in non-metaphorical terms, playing those childhood group games, including the "you show me yours" with someone as curious as I am).
Like I talked about in the above paragraph, my friend gives me the feeling like you described. I know she's not an aspie; she's too bubbly and outgoing to be one, it seems. But that's precisely what makes her so fun to be around.



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25 May 2017, 6:56 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
You remind me of myself when I was at your age.

People change and you might change too.

Do you mean that I dislike it just because I don't get any of these hook-ups, and when I will get I will start liking it?
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Maybe the fact that I'm looking for "teenish Disney love" and know I don't want to marry my first girlfriend, because I know something as serious as marriage takes an approach that is much more real-world compromise than fairy tale, is what shows I'm more mature than actual teens, some of whom are actually deluded enough to think their "teenish Disney love" is something worth getting married over, that this wouldn't be a sure way to burst their bubbles. That's perhaps why I'm attracted to adults who give off a child vibe, but rarely if ever actual children.

I don't really get this "I don't want to marry my first girlfriend" attitude. IF a great and compatible girl comes along and accepts to be your gf, would you just dump her after a while saying that "I wanna try some other girls before I settle down?".



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26 May 2017, 10:11 am

Peacesells wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
You remind me of myself when I was at your age.

People change and you might change too.

Do you mean that I dislike it just because I don't get any of these hook-ups, and when I will get I will start liking it?
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Maybe the fact that I'm looking for "teenish Disney love" and know I don't want to marry my first girlfriend, because I know something as serious as marriage takes an approach that is much more real-world compromise than fairy tale, is what shows I'm more mature than actual teens, some of whom are actually deluded enough to think their "teenish Disney love" is something worth getting married over, that this wouldn't be a sure way to burst their bubbles. That's perhaps why I'm attracted to adults who give off a child vibe, but rarely if ever actual children.

I don't really get this "I don't want to marry my first girlfriend" attitude. IF a great and compatible girl comes along and accepts to be your gf, would you just dump her after a while saying that "I wanna try some other girls before I settle down?".



I mean your whole view on hookups and marriage may change.

Also some things becomr less feasible the older you become.



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27 May 2017, 5:37 am

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I mean your whole view on hookups and marriage may change.

Also some things becomr less feasible the older you become.

I doubt it will change. Anyway, what did I say about marriage?

What things?



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27 May 2017, 6:55 am

Peacesells wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I mean your whole view on hookups and marriage may change.

Also some things becomr less feasible the older you become.

I doubt it will change. Anyway, what did I say about marriage?

What things?


I don't remember the exact posts; but the overall impression I have of you is that you value long terms and marriage.

This is not a bad thing; I wish you luck to find whatever you are seeking for very soon.



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27 May 2017, 7:55 am

Feminism is not anti-men in and of itself. Although some self proclaimed feminists may also have radical views regarding men, using generalized language like this is likely why you have experienced "intolerance" from adult women.



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27 May 2017, 8:05 am

Go away Katie. We all know about what generalisations are. H'away!



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27 May 2017, 8:47 am

I miss katie, and her "the women of the world don't want you guys" posts.



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27 May 2017, 11:04 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I mean your whole view on hookups and marriage may change.

Also some things becomr less feasible the older you become.

I doubt it will change. Anyway, what did I say about marriage?

What things?


I don't remember the exact posts; but the overall impression I have of you is that you value long terms and marriage.

This is not a bad thing; I wish you luck to find whatever you are seeking for very soon.

I don't value marriage that much, because a lot of times if it ends the guy can face very bad consequences. I'd advise against it, if in a country the law is not very egalitarian.

Thanks, I wish you happiness too.



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01 Jun 2017, 12:07 am

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Huh, are you saying that at 32 you are into 16 years olds (or younger)?


An internet meme, btw.

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Why is the 29 y/o not as nice.


"memes" are not a form of argument.

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I miss katie, and her "the women of the world don't want you guys" posts.



NO

STOP


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01 Jun 2017, 3:17 pm

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"memes" are not a form of argument.

A picture is worth a thousand words. I am not sure how I can improve upon it.

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I miss katie, and her "the women of the world don't want you guys" posts.

I get that it's vulgar, to compare women with children and animals...

But, women, children, and animals, tend to follow me, when I appear to be preoccupied with something, or doing something interesting.

I remember seeing black-and-white movies with a sing-a-long (holdovers, from before my time.) A bouncing ball would hover over each word, as you were supposed to sing it. They might not know the words of the song. You don't know whether you like, it or not, are just following the movement, maybe, with people smiling at you and nodding their heads, in approval.

I am not a pickpocket, but remember a story of two people, working in tandem. One just looks at the sky. There is nothing there. He points, but there is nothing. Then entire crowd starts to gather around him, and pays no concern for themselves.

With NT people, it is always the same way. Every physical motion, process, undeveloped plot, work in progress, kinetic action, Keynesian shovel, Bastiat's window, is engaging. How do you know whether I am doing something good?

Wikipedia calls it liminality. Most people are indecisive and suggestible, do not actually have any wants (although we are ideally Enlightened and humanitarian.)

I think, they are more interested in the fact that something is happening, than what is happening. It's like the hypnotic induction, when you follow a watch, swinging. The point that you want to communicate is probably only a few syllables, hidden in the whole long spiel. It's about 99% engagement, imo. She just wants someone to distract her.



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03 Jun 2017, 12:33 am

I didn't find young girls so nice either. They hit and bully me as well.



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karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
biostructure wrote:
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This is exactly why I strongly prefer (read: almost require) that girls I date ARE just starting out in the dating world/are just discovering boys. It's not because of some religious purity notions, not because of a "whore-madonna dichotomy", or whatever else people might think the reason is. It's exactly because I want to learn WITH someone, not FROM someone (about romance and sex, that is).

With a girl for whom it's "not her first rodeo", as you put it, even if she were to seem head over heels into me, there's this sense of missed opportunity, this sense that whatever I learn from her about what relationships are about, I'm not getting the same opportunity to explore that I'd get with another person who is just starting out in the world of getting to know the opposite sex.

Granted, there also has to be attraction there. I have been sexually involved with two girls who I thought were very unattractive, primarily because they were at this same place. Neither had kissed a guy before, they both wondered what having a boyfriend was like. However, not feeling attraction toward them, they didn't end up helping me develop and answer what I wanted answered, namely how do I relate to a girl with whom I actually have romantic feelings. That's what sometimes feels hopeless--to find a girl out there who's attractive to me, yet who hasn't previously found mutual attraction with enough other guys to pass through this developmental process. I feel like if I were still in high school, I'd have a much better chance at that.

Huh, are you saying that at 32 you are into 16 years olds (or younger)?


I am into women who, in terms of social experience, are at what's typical of that age or younger. They aren't actually that age, though.


So you want someone you can groom, is what you're saying. This is what abusers do, specifically target and take advantage of younger people with little experience (which makes them more socially and psychologically vulnerable) so the abusers can psychologically mould them into whatever they like. You just want to avoid the illegality of actually grooming a child/young teen, so you're looking for a vulnerable inexperienced adult to groom instead.

This is next level gross, and predatory. :eew:


That's very gross.


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