Newly crowned Miss USA angers progressives

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15 May 2017, 10:18 am

Scientist wins Miss USA contest slammed for "conservative" comments

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A 25-year-old scientist from the District of Columbia who works for the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission was crowned Miss USA Sunday — and she did it after making some controversial comments about political issues during the competition.

Kara McCullough caused a firestorm on social media after she gave conservative answers to questions — saying she wasn’t a feminist and that she thought people need to have a job to have health care.

“I’m definitely going to say it’s a privilege,” McCullough said, when asked if access to medical care was a right, as liberals such as Sen. Bernie Sanders say, or a privilege, as many conservatives say.

She then added: “As a government employee, I’m granted health care and I see firsthand that for one to have health care, you need to have jobs.”

Later in the competition, McCullough and two other challengers were asked to explain what they consider feminism to be and whether they consider themselves feminists.

Miss District of Columbia replied that she likes to “transpose” the word feminism to “equalism.”

“I don’t want to call myself a feminist,” McCullough said. “Women, we are just as equal as men, especially in the workplace.”

McCullough, who graduated with a chemistry degree from South Carolina State University, said after the contest: “I believe we’ve come a long way and there is more work to be done. I think domestically we are making progress and I do believe that we will become equal one day.”


She did what progressives often demand recognized privilege is a thing and she benifits from it.

She said in order to health care you need to have to have jobs, not a job. So until or unless she clarifies her remarks I interpret it as saying the more jobs there are the more people to pay into insurance. This would be true even for socialist medicine/single payer system.

Maybe part of thier problem is a black woman saying she has privilege goes against dogma.

Some feminists have had it in for the Miss USA contest and beauty pagents in general since the 60's. A key moment in the emergence of second wave feminism occurred in 1968 when protesters burned thier bras outside of the hotel in Atlantic City where the pagent was bieng held.


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15 May 2017, 10:45 am

A conservative black scientist Miss USA is going to make these folks head's explode

cant imagine all the terrible racist things all these 'progressives' are probably saying about her now



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15 May 2017, 6:16 pm

Jacoby wrote:
A conservative black scientist Miss USA is going to make these folks head's explode

I'm sure she will! :twisted:

She really doesn't fit into the box they want her in. She's a walking, talking multiple stereotype and narrative buster, and I love it! :lol: :mrgreen:

I just hope she doesn't suffer a similar fate as what happened in the "shirtstorm" farce.



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15 May 2017, 7:24 pm

Why should the newly crowned Miss USA anger progressives?

I thought liberals were all about peace, love, and tolerance.
And freedom of expression?

Anyways, congratulations to Kara McCullough, the new Miss USA! :D



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15 May 2017, 7:36 pm

the_phoenix wrote:
Why should the newly crowned Miss USA anger progressives?

I thought liberals were all about peace, love, and tolerance.
And freedom of expression?

Anyways, congratulations to Kara McCullough, the new Miss USA! :D


It's only if you agree with them. If not, they are ready to kill you. That's partly why I don't call myself a liberal anymore. I also grew sick of the "Racism is bad but f**k white people" narrative. Yes, racism is bad and saying "f**k white people" is racist.



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15 May 2017, 7:45 pm

the_phoenix wrote:
Why should the newly crowned Miss USA anger progressives?

I thought liberals were all about peace, love, and tolerance.
And freedom of expression?

Anyways, congratulations to Kara McCullough, the new Miss USA! :D


Freedom of expression is a buzzline for expressing an opinion that is in line with their interests; anything else is derided as delusionary, or perhaps even insane by these people. --This is velvet gloved Stalinism or perhaps even Maoism.


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16 May 2017, 10:42 am

The majority of women in these "beauty" pageants have an IQ just slightly above that of a parsnip, so it never surprises me when they say something that would make politicians lower their heads in shame.



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16 May 2017, 4:07 pm

I think she's pretty smart if she's a nuclear scientist, if only she went and got a women's studies degree she would of been properly educated in the patriarchy and intersectionality. :roll:


'And then they complain about there being no women in STEM



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16 May 2017, 8:47 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
She said in order to have health care you need to have jobs, not a job...

I think she was saying something like "people need to have jobs" in order for them to have *decent* health care...

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Newly-crowned Miss USA Kara McCullough clarified her remarks on health care that had drawn ire on social media, saying she believes health care "should be a right" for all.

"I am privileged to have health care and I do believe that it should be a right," McCullough, 25, said...
She continued, "I just want people to see where I was coming from. Having a job, I have to look at health care like it is a privilege."
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McCullough said on "GMA" today that she was "not at all" surprised by the backlash she received online.
"I believe that is what America is based on, like having opinions and views," she said. "But I would like to just take this moment to truly just clarify ... what I said."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/mis ... d=47434367


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16 May 2017, 9:04 pm

I am liberal/progressive and I don't see anything particularly terrible about what she said, at least what is posted in this thread. However I would disagree with some of the premise of it, as I think everyone should have access to healthcare...even if they are not currently employed. I mean for one there are people on disability not working, so in practice 'you have to have a job to have healthcare' kind of fails...that would mean people on disability wouldn't have access to healthcare for their disability. Or if someone is temporarily out of work due to injury or sickness, or has been layed off or fired and hasn't found a new job yet. Also there are plenty of people with jobs that have trouble affording healthcare...I guess they should just get a job? Just doesn't really hold up.

Basically it just doesn't make sense, without universal healthcare there has to be healthcare options for the disabled, impoverished and those who are for whatever reason not currently employed. I'd think a scientist would come up with a better theme for their speech...like perhaps what their goals are with advancing science and such, not 'if you want healthcare get a job.' but that is just my take.


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16 May 2017, 9:22 pm

Fogman wrote:
the_phoenix wrote:
Why should the newly crowned Miss USA anger progressives?

I thought liberals were all about peace, love, and tolerance.
And freedom of expression?

Anyways, congratulations to Kara McCullough, the new Miss USA! :D


Freedom of expression is a buzzline for expressing an opinion that is in line with their interests; anything else is derided as delusionary, or perhaps even insane by these people. --This is velvet gloved Stalinism or perhaps even Maoism.


Disagreeing with someone or being angered by what they say is not the same thing as believing that they shouldn't be able to say it. I am glad she gave her opinion, it is nice when people say what they think so you can get a better idea what to think of them. I do reserve the right to be offended, pissed off and have a counter opinion and express said counter opinion...things like that are also freedom of speech.

Sure there are people who identify as being more left who might want speech limited unreasonably, I believe it was mostly democrats who a while back were all on the censorship bandwagon about metal and other more extreme music wanting to try and limit what could be expressed and huge proponents of the 'explicit content' label and the government telling you what is appropriate and what isn't. But you see this is why I am not a 'Democrat' its very possible to be progressive without subscribing to the democratic party and their flaws. Also though there seems to be some drama on the right of wanting to silence reporters, trump even throwing twitter fits when people criticize him ect...So maybe its not a right or left thing, maybe its a major political party thing.

Also tolerance of different people and things like that is what it refers to, it doesn't mean you tolerate anything and everything regardless of how it effects people. Peace and Love are nice, but you can appreciate those things without being a complete pacifist, plus sometimes these are things that must be fought for.


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17 May 2017, 6:18 am

Gosh the beauty pageant scene is getting very political. If they're going that way, I think they should add a debate section amongst the final 3.



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17 May 2017, 2:09 pm

"...women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."

Like them or not, women of color, in revealing bathing suits, on a stage, and working out of the home, are not examples of traditional conservatism.

The alt-right is like a whipping boy. It would be more intellectually-honest to claim the divine right of kings, than to hide behind token quota cases.

You see, none of the manly-men are taking the abuse and/or persecution, for saying these things.

A black lady is taking the heat.



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19 May 2017, 12:23 am

It's just hard hearted to say that people without jobs shouldn't have health care. What about the disabled? What about people left out of the job market so long that no one will hire them? Why won't conservatives take business owners to task for not hiring more people?
As for that equality in the workplace - as a woman of color, she wouldn't be enjoying that without the steps forward made by those who fought for sexual and racial equality. It hardly appeared out of the goodness of business owners hearts without having been made to.


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19 May 2017, 1:36 pm

People show you pitiful strays, which noone could possibly want to be unhappy, but there is also a saying, that you can't take them all in.

For the most part, I find that noone wants to render assistance, directly. For instance, there are Peace Corps, or volunteer positions, where you could literally care for Ebola patients, wash infected sores, with your own, two hands, or pick parasites off a human body. Someone has to pick up the poop, when you see those ASPCA ads. Should I take you charitable people literally, 99% of the time?

There is this implied assumption, somewhere, in the back of our minds, that the great mass of humankind can take care of a relative few, sickly people, without too much drag. But, I find that the majority of people, around me, are not physically-capable. I find that, when there is a giant pod, full of teeny seeds, very few are viable. I am told that most of the baby sea turtles, in a large clutch of eggs, will never make it to the water. Not all of the chicks in the bird's nest are survivors. Some of the more-affluent, presumably-gifted Chinese are supported by their siblings, in poor working conditions.

There used to be a 'Mudsill Class'. It's the olden word for a foundation, which was intended to keep the house of state, out of the dirt. It was accepted that ill health, moral vices, and refugee status were recipes for failure. The social model, as it stands now, places the heirachical pyramid, upside down. A minority of useful people have to support the majority of the weight, as though it is a stable arrangement.

If you're really that altruistic, show us. Hopefully, you won't become embittered, as have some longsuffering volunteers.

Either way, let charity be a matter of voluntarism, and not under coercion. Don't rob Peter to pay Paul, then say you're Robin Hood. Install a well or an outhouse, plant something edible, if you believe the words that come out of your own mouths.

Or, let the best man win. Actually, allow that to happen. Don't punish success, if you literally care about the human condition.