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"You Don't Do Evidence Well I Do" Trey Gowdy Demands Answers On Trump Russia Collusion. (5/23/17)



To me this is just a continuing example of how they do a lot of taking and stammering without actually saying anything, while looking very uncomfortable and nervous. The so called evidence is still after all this time something vague, mysterious and secret. No progression whatsoever.

And now for the next testimony:

The CIA's job is to collect and analyze information, evidence is a legal term that would apply to the FBI and DOJ. The CIA and NSA don't bring lawsuits, so no they really don't do evidence, they collect information, follow leads in that information, and pass that information onto the president and his team so the president can make informed decisions. They also don't operate in the United States, their jurisdiction is exclusively international, meaning if Brennan saw anything he thought could be collusion which he stated he did today, he would have found that on foreign grounds or through an allied intelligence agency.

So basically any testimony in this investigation given by a the CIA and NSA is of no value from a legal standpoint.

Bush and later Obama politicized the intelligence services, they aren't worth anything anymore at this point by how corrupted they've made it. It's a faction allowed to exist in the government that needs to be purged. They can't be trusted, they lie, they play politics.

How? Do you consider them some up against the wall motherf**kers?

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They would provide leads, but the FBI likes to conduct their own investigation. They do much better than the CIA or military with interviewing suspects. They play it very cool, no torture at all. It gets better results.

Pretty much, but congressional investigations aren't courts of law. The foreign intelligence agencies gather information on foreign threats, we don't sue foreign threats, we either negotiate or attack, so it's a completely different ballgame than the legal framework the FBI has to work in domestically. That's why Brennan's statement sounds ridiculous, but it's actually truthful. Let me put it this way: we don't sue Ibraham al-Terrorist in Afghanistan, we kill him, he has no rights because he's not an American citizen, there's no need to collect enough evidence to prove anything 'beyond a reasonable doubt'-- the threshold we use in our legal system. The FBI on the other hand has to prove a case in court of law to convict the suspect. That's also why you'll see the FBI refuse to answer a question in a hearing with "I can't answer that because of an ongoing investigation" because whatever statement they make could be used against the government in a court of law if the investigation leads to an arrest; whereas the CIA will answer most questions albeit in a vague way (don't want to tip your hand to a foreign threat), and only refuse to answer due to "classified information." Intelligence has always been a problem in democracies where the citizens demand transparency, but the alternative is to disclose everything and run the most inept intelligence agency in the history of existence. That's also why these investigations seem like dog and pony shows, most of the information of value the senators and reps receive is after the public hearing when they're briefed in private. Democracy can be messy, especially when we're talking spying, but to take spying out of the equation would eliminate one of our defense tools.

And let me guess you want Trump to fill the agencies with all his people? And that wouldn't be political? Or would you rather we have no intelligence agencies and be blind to external threats?

His campaign promises of getting closer to Russia, denying that Russia even invaded Ukraine, winking at Russia's ambitions of gobbling up their neighbors, calling for ending our relationship with NATO, defending Putin's rep as a killer, not to mention his support for populist strongmen-in-waiting in Europe - all of whom were supported by Putin - just to name a few things. Luckily, those things haven't worked out so far. Then there was the recent incident in the White House where American media was banned, but Putin's state controlled media were invited, where Trump shared classified intelligence with them.

You know who's primarily pushing this Seth Rich conspiracy idiocy? Newt Gingrich, that paragon of reliability (sarcasm)!

Interesting article comparing conspiracy theorists on the left and right.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142828/ ... servatives

I read up on DJT revealing info about our subs to Duterte, and a pattern of bragging seems apparent. DJT's support for Duterte's ongoing massacre should bother anyone. That aside, the Philippines aren't part of any operation involving the DPRK, and anyway, as three defense officials told Buzzfeed, "We never talk about subs!" The rolling dumpster fire rolls on.

Of course; Trump sees Dutere as a fellow strongman.

Maybe he's vetting Duterte for membership in the Legion of Doom?

No way, Putin is the Overlord. Al things are done by him and through him.