Organic Farming is Bad for the Environment

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All I know is I'm reluctant to pay extra for organic produce.

If it's undesirable then don't pay for it, you should at least have the option of knowing what you are buying actually is regardless of the poor reputation of GMOs. If they can't market themselves and people reject them then it's not right to force people to accept something against their will.

It's funny that some marketers act like the "organic" mvmt is something new, when it is a partial return to the only form of agriculture that ever existed, prior to the advent of chem. fert..

Many "organic" farmers do it simply b/c the MARGINS are better. Others do believe in the cause.

When did GMO products become conventional food?!

GMO technology might be safe, but what is the context of that statement?

It might be true there are no health concerns with the GMO products currently on the market, but that does not mean GMO food is equal to food produced naturally.

To say organic farming is worse for the environment than conventional farming -- Once again: When did GMO become conventional?! -- is a mis-leading spin of the fact organic simply requires more space to get the same amount and without polluting water sources.


Same here, and I say that for various reasons that do not fit all items across-the-board and without taking any kind of position on the overall matter. Nevertheless...

My wife is picky about the eggs she buys, we do use some supplements to make up for certain things missing in today's "conventional" diet, and some friends of ours have a garden and some chickens of their own because they believe their own produce is more nutritious -- actual food value -- than most things at the grocery stores. So, just investigate things where you might have a bit of concern and then be selective of specific items for specific reasons if you might ultimately believe one product is better than another.

I grow strawberries in my home garden, which are far superior in taste to the dated offerings in supermarkets. I refuse to use insecticides/pesticides/fungicides on any food I grow. All commercially farmed strawberries grown by non-organic producers are treated with strong fungicides - they are amongst the most toxic of horticultural chemicals. I can make no sense of the claim in the thread title. Is there some hidden agenda behind it do you think?

The progressive dogma now supports globalism & the heavy use of GMOs because they believe it helps stop global warming and world hunger, GMOs are being likened to vaccines and being backed up by 'science' which progressives hold faith in similar regard to religion.

FTR, vegetarian cheese often uses a rennet derived from GMO organisms, originating from a cow's stomach. So, IMO, and according to the Soil Association, that isn't true non-GMO cheese. It isn't true vegetarian cheese to me either.

Organic food is more expensive because it spoils faster. I prefer that. It means it has less chemicals on it and it's in its more natural state. Also, organic food tends to have more vitamins.

You vote on the goods you support most with your money and your time, imo.

Humans have been manipulating their food for millennia, and I'm not too concerned by us being better at it as time goes on. Fields and fields that make up a monoculture are something I take most issue with. Diversity means a healthier and more robust system. Being mindful of the irrigation and how the sprays move through the environment are also important. Cradle-to-grave assessments are important. And its certainly also true for livestock too. Smaller groupings, and smaller operations. The bird flu thing wiped out a ton of turkey farms in my area and they were down and out for almost a year.

I do prefer things that are pasteurized, like eggs, milk, etc. Just makes me feel safer, and I am someone who dislikes using eggs in general just because it becomes an ordeal for me. (They are so tasty though)

There is something satisfying to growing something in your own garden. (My favorite is tomatoes). But not everyone can do that, and I wont begrudge someone on their food choices. Not everyone has that choice.

People have been using s**t for fertilizer for the past 10,000 years.....

Plants have been using s**t as food for 480 million years, lol.
*Note to those growing at home, don't attempt to use human waste, it hasn't been broken down enough for plants to harvest the biochemicals, a four stomached animal (ruminant) is the best to harvest fertilizer.

^^eeewww.
but i did hear a buzz about a potential process to convert human waste into usable fertilizer a few years ago.
human waste can be used for other problems, anyways. like in its conversion to renewable natural gas, lol.
i'm happy to let other people figure these things out though.

i've had great success with a mix of chicken poo and compost. nasty! but plants dig it.

in regard to OP, farming is bad for the environment. to fix it the entire industry needs to be restructured.

Yes. I am fascinated by how organic farming is being portrayed as a modern fad. That just shows how powerful the spin doctors are. Who wants to be against the environment? Or deny food to the starving? I've seen quite a few "skeptics" argue this way. A lot of the time I think they are not being skeptical enough.

The Green Revolution proved one thing, and that was that increasing food production does not solve the problem of hunger. Without family planning and economic equality, all you do is increase the size of a population, and eventually, the number of people going hungry will simply be larger.

As for the environment.....like pesticides and monocultures are so good for it? Talk to a biologist, especially someone working on endangered species. Those species are canaries for all of us.

Also, some farming is not growing things. What is most environmentally friendly: letting farm animals graze on untillable land, or letting them eat soy from Brazil which has been grown on rainforest land?

I'm not an expert, but I am hugely skeptical of appeals to my humanity coming from some of the largest businesses on earth, the food industry.

I think it's important to think long term about these issues.