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26 May 2017, 8:36 pm

So the Washington Post has released a story saying that Jared Kushner asked Sergei Kislyak to set up a private meeting area in the Russian Embassy so that he could meet with a Russian banker unsurveilled by US intelligence.

Washington Post: Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin

The source is surveillance of Kislyak telling someone that Kushner had requested this.

Now Reuters is reporting that Kushner had 3 previously undisclosed meeting with Russians.

And what's up with Comey?

He is saying that the press conference he gave trashing Hillary was based on intelligence he knew to be false.

WTF is going on?

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27 May 2017, 8:00 am

CBC/Reuters: Jared Kushner had undisclosed contacts with Russian envoy: sources. Trump son-in-law had at least 3 previously undisclosed contacts with Russian ambassador

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The new information about the two calls as well as other details uncovered by Reuters shed light on when and why Kushner first attracted FBI attention and show that his contacts with Russian envoy Sergei Kislyak were more extensive than the White House has acknowledged.

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After the Nov. 8 election, Kushner and Flynn also discussed with Kislyak the idea of creating a back channel between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin that could have bypassed diplomats and intelligence agencies, two of the sources said. Reuters was unable to determine how those discussions were conducted or exactly when they took place.

Reuters was first to report last week that a proposal for a back channel was discussed between Flynn and Kislyak as Trump prepared to take office. The Washington Post was first to report on Friday that Kushner participated in that conversation.

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FBI investigators are examining whether Russians suggested to Kushner or other Trump aides that relaxing economic sanctions would allow Russian banks to offer financing to people with ties to Trump, said the current U.S. law enforcement official.

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The head of Russian state-owned Vnesheconombank, Sergei Nikolaevich Gorkov, a trained intelligence officer whom Putin appointed, met Kushner at Trump Tower in December. The bank is under U.S. sanctions and was implicated in a 2015 espionage case in which one of its New York executives pleaded guilty to spying and was jailed.

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28 May 2017, 1:33 am

Seems that the Trump supporters on this site have as much to say about Kushner's treasonous behaviour as the White House does, which is to say, nothing at all.

Why am I not surprised?

It's all slowly unravelling...

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28 May 2017, 1:43 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

Seems that the Trump supporters on this site have as much to say about Kushner's treasonous behaviour as the White House does, which is to say, nothing at all.

Why am I not surprised?

Maybe it's because all the daily accusations have been going on for so long, they have lost interest in replying to them. I mean this all had to start running out of steam eventually.

Overkill: excessive use, treatment, or action; too much of something.

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

It's all slowly unravelling...

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28 May 2017, 2:20 am

Hmmm, my comment seems to have been misread as an invitation. I should clarify that I'm not actually interested in talking to any Trump supporters about this issue (or any other issue, for that matter.)

Have a good weekend everyone!

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28 May 2017, 2:42 am

Okay, so we have the polarities defined then.

Ezra I'm not sure why you would think anyone would hope for treasonous behaviour in government, but it's good to know where you stand.

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28 May 2017, 5:05 am

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:

My my how smarmy :wink:

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28 May 2017, 5:16 am

androbot01 wrote:

Okay, so we have the polarities defined then.

Ezra I'm not sure why you would think anyone would hope for treasonous behaviour in government

The continual hope is in the downfall of Trump and family and staff by way of anything and everything that comes up. "Oh this looks really bad, this is it, this is the big one, impeachment time, jail time" they say day after day ad infinitum. It's gotten stale.

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but it's good to know where you stand.

Are you trying to be clever?

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28 May 2017, 6:10 am

EzraS wrote:

Your premise is that there is no wrongdoing on the part of the Trump administration, and so any voice given to concern to you is slander. But the alleged Russia ties are still being investigated.

I don't like Trump. He's a boor and a fool. His arrogance makes his alleged wrong doing all the more poignant.

If I feel bad for anyone in this it's Sean Spicer. Poor guy didn't even get to see the Pope.

The "there's nothing to see here" meme is what is stale.

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28 May 2017, 9:49 am

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EzraS wrote:

Your premise is that there is no wrongdoing on the part of the Trump administration, and so any voice given to concern to you is slander. But the alleged Russia ties are still being investigated.

My premise is what I stated above. I think people aren't responding to this stuff like they used to, no matter how much others are still salivating over it, because it's been going on daily for months now. To me it's the same thing as the boy who kept crying wolf. In that story there eventually actually was a wolf, but by then nobody cared any longer due the saturation of false wolf alarms that proceeded it. I couldn't care less if it continues, I'm just explaining why I think it's not getting the rebuttals it used to.

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I don't like Trump. He's a boor and a fool. His arrogance makes his alleged wrong doing all the more poignant.

If I feel bad for anyone in this it's Sean Spicer. Poor guy didn't even get to see the Pope.

The "there's nothing to see here" meme is what is stale.

I wouldn't know, I'm not preoccupied with most of that stuff.

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28 May 2017, 9:55 am

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I'm just explaining why I think it's not getting the rebuttals it used to.

Both sides are fed up, I think.

I do find it odd that Kushner wanted to be able to talk to Gorkov without being overheard by American intelligence. It begs the question why.

Flynn is clearly tied to the Russians.

And Comey, his behaviour is bizarre.

It's such a big mess I think people want to throw their hands up and walk away.

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28 May 2017, 10:03 am

Meeting with Russians is not illegal, a back channel would be a good idea considering the insane Cold War ideologues that haven't died off yet and the new ones who can't accept Trump won the election. The president is allowed to conduct his own foreign policy, just because some stupid people have their panties in a bunch over Russia does not mean they get to dictate US foreign policy. There is no there there, Trump is allowed to conduct foreign policy with Russia as he sees fit.

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28 May 2017, 10:07 am

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EzraS wrote:

I'm just explaining why I think it's not getting the rebuttals it used to.

The whole thing has been an absolute circus since November 8th. The only way to keep it going is to keep piling more and more and more circumstantial stuff on top of it. Eventually it will collapse in on itself and then there will be nothing left to work with for the next 3 years.

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28 May 2017, 10:09 am

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Meeting with Russians is not illegal

That's what I keep thinking to myself. I keep wondering if I've traveled back in time or I'm in a Tom Clancy novel.

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28 May 2017, 10:16 am

Why are you so sure there is nothing to it?

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28 May 2017, 10:33 am

Like what? We still haven't gotten any concrete accusation of wrongdoing except vague insinuations about Russian 'meddling'(which as far as I can see just means RT published stories they didn't like and saying Wikileaks is Russian intelligence) and illogical theories about financial ties.

If Trump only cared about making money then he would of never ran for president, if the Russians only cared about gaining influence then there are a lot easier avenues than supporting the most unlikely candidacy in US presidential history. The Clinton's had dealings with the Russians as well and the Clinton's don't build casinos/hotels, they peddle influence which is how they went from one of the poorest presidential couples to one of the richest ever.

This is all aimed at undermining Trump's presidency and any possible rapprochement between the US & Russia, it's textbook sedition. Elections have consequences, the president has a right to conduct his own foreign policy.

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