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Again Panopticon forever.

Judgement is my favorite album too! I've grown up with their music and thus their music means a lot to me. Have fun in the concert!

People who say that metalcore isn't metal are just elitists! It seems like it's trendy to hate on metalcore. Bands like Code Orange and Converge are amazing.

I try to get in to folk metal, but it's not really my cup of tea.

I have the Human Equation, but none of their other albums. I'm interested in their newer albums though because of Mike Toehider's involvement.

I think it's silly to argue it's not metal because thrash metal is also a fusion of metal and hardcore punk, but I do understand the reasoning as it did originally come out of the hardcore punk scene, not metal, though that's irrelevant to modern metalcore bands. Bands like Trivium and Killswitch get labeled as heavy metal as well as metalcore as they are definitely removed from metalcore's hardcore roots. Anyway, while there is pretty of copycat metalcore bands and some of it really sucks, a lot of it is really good, and I think after black metal it has the most creative bands.

Well as far as I understand metalcore is a fusion genre of hardcore influenced by metal.

I don't own their(or his?) albums but everything is nowadays on youtube. My personal two favorite albums are the human equation and actual fantasy. I think their approach to music is very original and there's a beautifully flowing story in each album.
Also he works with many great vocalists which makes it even more appealing!

^Uhh I mean, in my view its not exactly metal or hardcore, kind of its own stand alone genre wheras thrash metal seems to keep more to its metal roots whilst just having hardcore punk influence.

I like metalcore, but it's not metal. Not all heavy music is metal.

This.

Metalcore is a crossover genre between hardcore and metal but typically falls closer to hardcore. Thrash metal falls closer to metal, thrashcore falls closer to hardcore and crossover thrash sits perfectly in the middle. \m/

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It is *a* fusion of hardcore punk and metal (as there is countless other fusions), in theory it's a subgenre of both hardcore punk and heavy metal. However, overtime it's moved away from hardcore punk and has become much more metal. The melodic metalcore bands are definitely more metal than hardcore punk, as they are based in a fusion of metalcore with melodic death metal, and many take influence from glam metal and traditional heavy metal as well.



For the more melodic thrash bands like Metallica and Anthrax, yeah, but for many of the bands on the more extreme end of thrash metal (Slayer Reign in Blood and onwards, most the first wave black metal bands) the hardcore punk influence was much more prominent. Once crossover thrash picked up thrash metal became more punk than metal.



Yeah, no. Unless by metalcore you are referring to the bands which called metallic hardcore (and people with your attitude tend to ignorantly think is pure hardcore punk) nowadays, that's simply untrue, most metalcore is much closer to heavy metal. Sure, many modern metal bands take from post-hardcore, but that's much different from actual hardcore punk. Also, thrashcore is not what you think it is, it actually has nothing to do with metal, it's just a subgenre of hardcore punk which is particularly fast. Finally, crossover thrash is almost always definitely closer to hardcore punk than it is to heavy metal (in fact, metallic hardcore was the heavier branch of crossover thrash), I'm getting the impression you don't know what hardcore punk is.



As a matter of policy I don't listen to full albums on youtube. Musicians need their money.

Most metalcore doesn't sound closer to metal though, maybe it has more metal influence then I think but the end sound certainly just doesn't quite sound like metal. That's why as for that debate I stick with it being its own genre with metal and punk influence...and I don't even hate it, I've heard some I like. I mean anymore I just feel like why does it have to be punk or metal?...it seems to have enough of a distinct sound to stand as its own genre.

In the past I argued very hard about it not being metal...and some punk people argued just as hard about it not being punk. Back in my forum invasion days on myyearbook where I instigated invading the prep and punk forums to demand a metal forum and a bunch of us participated. But those forums aren't around anymore....

I've been listening to hardcore punk since before you started kindergarden, it makes up a pretty significant portion of my musical collection, from Minor Threat and Gorilla Biscuits to newer stuff like Have Heart and Champion. So, come on lil' buckaroo, school me.

It sounds much closer to metal than it does to hardcore punk. You just don't realize that because you're more into metal than you are into hardcore punk. Yeah, it's different from traditional heavy metal, but it's smaller of a jump from traditional heavy metal to extreme metal than from traditional extreme metal to metalcore.

I understand putting at least some of the 3rd wave aside as it's own genre, but it depends on the band. Some metalcore bands meet even Metal Archive's standards for metal like Triphon (they definately straddle the lines between melodic metalcore and melodeath, though Metal Archives just considers them metalcore because they're biased).



So then why are you making so many ridiculous assertions about where various subgenres fall on the punk-metal spectrum? Eg. How is Killswitch Engage closer to Champions than they are to Soilwork? That's the sort of stuff people are talking about when they refer to metalcore nowadays, not stuff like Earth Crisis.