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GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What is NATO's purpose in the 21st century? It is a relic from a time when we thought the Soviet's were imminently going to be spilling over the border into Western Europe but the Soviet's no longer exist and only a handful of the bloc's members contribute their fair share. It's not just about raising their defense spending, it's the fact that they haven't met this benchmark for years if ever whereas the US has spent more than everybody combined so obviously it's an uneven relationship. If Russia is so scary like someone you people seem to think they how come these countries refuse to raise their defense spending? The fact is, Russia is not a threat the US so if Europe does not have a problem with them then neither should we. I think it's doubtful without US pressure that Europe would maintain economic sanctions since it's cutting off their nose to spite their face for them. If NATO cannot face the biggest threat to our collective security then maybe it is time for new alliances with more reliable partners.
The purpose of NATO is to put a boot on your boss Vladimir's neck and keep him down.
I was thinking how Vladimir and Voldemort sort of look alike and those who are frightened of him should start calling him He Who Must Not Be Named
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GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What is NATO's purpose in the 21st century? It is a relic from a time when we thought the Soviet's were imminently going to be spilling over the border into Western Europe but the Soviet's no longer exist and only a handful of the bloc's members contribute their fair share. It's not just about raising their defense spending, it's the fact that they haven't met this benchmark for years if ever whereas the US has spent more than everybody combined so obviously it's an uneven relationship. If Russia is so scary like someone you people seem to think they how come these countries refuse to raise their defense spending? The fact is, Russia is not a threat the US so if Europe does not have a problem with them then neither should we. I think it's doubtful without US pressure that Europe would maintain economic sanctions since it's cutting off their nose to spite their face for them. If NATO cannot face the biggest threat to our collective security then maybe it is time for new alliances with more reliable partners.
The purpose of NATO is to put a boot on your boss Vladimir's neck and keep him down.
If Russia is such a threat then it should be reflected in the defense budgets of our European allies, obviously its not a threat they are all too concerned about so why are you
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Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What is NATO's purpose in the 21st century? It is a relic from a time when we thought the Soviet's were imminently going to be spilling over the border into Western Europe but the Soviet's no longer exist and only a handful of the bloc's members contribute their fair share. It's not just about raising their defense spending, it's the fact that they haven't met this benchmark for years if ever whereas the US has spent more than everybody combined so obviously it's an uneven relationship. If Russia is so scary like someone you people seem to think they how come these countries refuse to raise their defense spending? The fact is, Russia is not a threat the US so if Europe does not have a problem with them then neither should we. I think it's doubtful without US pressure that Europe would maintain economic sanctions since it's cutting off their nose to spite their face for them. If NATO cannot face the biggest threat to our collective security then maybe it is time for new alliances with more reliable partners.
The purpose of NATO is to put a boot on your boss Vladimir's neck and keep him down.
If Russia is such a threat then it should be reflected in the defense budgets of our European allies, obviously its not a threat they are all too concerned about so why are you
That is a good point. If they consider Russia to be such a huge threat, why have they hardly been putting any effort into building up NATO? And they're supposed to wait until 2024 before they do, when they're in such imminent danger right now? And if Trump is supposedly colluding with Russia, why is he trying to get them to make NATO stronger?
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01 Jun 2017, 10:46 am
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What is NATO's purpose in the 21st century? It is a relic from a time when we thought the Soviet's were imminently going to be spilling over the border into Western Europe but the Soviet's no longer exist and only a handful of the bloc's members contribute their fair share. It's not just about raising their defense spending, it's the fact that they haven't met this benchmark for years if ever whereas the US has spent more than everybody combined so obviously it's an uneven relationship. If Russia is so scary like someone you people seem to think they how come these countries refuse to raise their defense spending? The fact is, Russia is not a threat the US so if Europe does not have a problem with them then neither should we. I think it's doubtful without US pressure that Europe would maintain economic sanctions since it's cutting off their nose to spite their face for them. If NATO cannot face the biggest threat to our collective security then maybe it is time for new alliances with more reliable partners.
The purpose of NATO is to put a boot on your boss Vladimir's neck and keep him down.
I say AMEN, and AMEN to that!
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EzraS wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
What is NATO's purpose in the 21st century? It is a relic from a time when we thought the Soviet's were imminently going to be spilling over the border into Western Europe but the Soviet's no longer exist and only a handful of the bloc's members contribute their fair share. It's not just about raising their defense spending, it's the fact that they haven't met this benchmark for years if ever whereas the US has spent more than everybody combined so obviously it's an uneven relationship. If Russia is so scary like someone you people seem to think they how come these countries refuse to raise their defense spending? The fact is, Russia is not a threat the US so if Europe does not have a problem with them then neither should we. I think it's doubtful without US pressure that Europe would maintain economic sanctions since it's cutting off their nose to spite their face for them. If NATO cannot face the biggest threat to our collective security then maybe it is time for new alliances with more reliable partners.
The purpose of NATO is to put a boot on your boss Vladimir's neck and keep him down.
If Russia is such a threat then it should be reflected in the defense budgets of our European allies, obviously its not a threat they are all too concerned about so why are you
That is a good point. If they consider Russia to be such a huge threat, why have they hardly been putting any effort into building up NATO? And they're supposed to wait until 2024 before they do, when they're in such imminent danger right now? And if Trump is supposedly colluding with Russia, why is he trying to get them to make NATO stronger?
They have been making NATO stronger by bringing in new members.
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