Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

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Knofskia
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17 Jun 2017, 2:26 pm

GnosticBishop, I am going to have to apologize to you and anyone else who is following this discussion.

1. I know the importance of punctuation, but I still forgot two commas in my last post; it should have read: "...that Jesus, and his disciples who wrote the new testament, were Jewish?"
2. After a long and stressful social engagement yesterday, I am too exhausted to reply as fully as needed to answer your question myself. So, I will have to just be content to copy someone else's answer for now (I have reviewed it and agree with it (summary: killing for personal vengeance is not the same as judicial punishment which is not the same as God's judgment)):

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Question: "Does God killing people make Him a murderer?"

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 The Old Testament records God killing multitudes of people, and some people want to believe this makes Him a murderer. The misconception that “killing” and “murder” are synonymous is partially based on the King James mistranslation of the sixth commandment, which reads, “Thou shalt not kill” (Exodus 20:13). However, the word kill is a translation of the Hebrew word ratsach, which nearly always refers to intentional killing without cause. The correct rendering of this word is “murder,” and all modern translations render the command as “You shall not murder.” The Bible in Basic English best conveys its meaning: “Do not put anyone to death without cause.”

It is true that God has intentionally killed many people. (God never “accidentally” does anything.) In fact, the Bible records that He literally wiped out entire nations including women, children, cattle, etc. In addition to that, God killed every living creature upon the face of the earth with the exception of eight people and the animals on the ark (Genesis 7:21-23; 1 Peter 3:20). Does this make Him a murderer?

As already stated, to kill and to murder are different things. Murder is “the premeditated, unlawful taking of a life,” whereas killing is, more generally, “the taking of a life.” The same Law that forbids murder permits killing in self-defense (Exodus 22:2).

In order for God to commit murder, He would have to act “unlawfully.” We must recognize that God is God. “His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4; see also Psalm 11:7; 90:9). He created man and expects obedience (Exodus 20:4-6; Exodus 23:21; 2 John 1:6). When man takes it upon himself to disobey God, he faces God’s wrath (Exodus 19:5; Exodus 23:21-22; Leviticus 26:14-18). Furthermore, “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If [man] does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” (Psalm 7:11-12).

Some would argue that executing the innocent is murder; thus, when God wipes out whole cities, He is committing murder. However, nowhere in Scripture can we find where God killed “innocent” people. In fact, compared to God’s holiness, there is no such thing as an “innocent” person. All have sinned (Romans 3:23), and the penalty for sin is death (Romans 6:23a). God has “just cause” to wipe us all out; the fact that He doesn’t is proof of His mercy.

When God chose to destroy all mankind in the Flood, He was totally justified in doing so: “Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5).

During the conquest of Canaan, God ordered the complete destruction of entire cities and nations: “But of the cities of these peoples which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the LORD your God has commanded you” (Deuteronomy 20:16-17). And Joshua did what God had told him (Joshua 10:40).

Why did God give such a command? Israel was God’s instrument of judgment against the Canaanites, who were evil, almost beyond what we can imagine today: “Every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods” (Deuteronomy 12:31). Their utter annihilation was commanded to prevent Israel from following their ways: “Lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18; also Deuteronomy 12:29-30).

Even in the dire judgments of the Old Testament, God offered mercy. For example, when God was about to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, God promised Abraham that He would spare the whole city in order to save ten righteous people there. Though God did destroy those cities (ten righteous people could not be found), He saved “righteous Lot” and his family (Genesis 18:32; Genesis 19:15; 2 Peter 2:7). Later, God destroyed Jericho, but He saved Rahab the harlot and her family in response to Rahab’s faith (Joshua 6:25; Hebrews 11:31). Until the final judgment, there is always mercy to be found.

Every person dies in God’s own time (Hebrews 9:27; Genesis 3:19). Jesus holds the keys of death (Revelation 1:18). Does the fact that everyone experiences physical death make God a “killer”? In the sense that He could prevent all death, yes. He allows us to die. But He is no murderer. Death is part of the human experience because we brought it into the world ourselves (Romans 5:12). One day, as John Donne put it, “Death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.” God, in His grace, has conquered death for those who are in Christ, and one day that truth will be fully realized: “The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death” (1 Corinthians 15:26).

God is faithful to His word. He will destroy the wicked, and He holds “the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment” (2 Peter 2:9). But He has also promised that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23b).


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17 Jun 2017, 3:06 pm

Your own religions says that you cannot know God's judgement, as he is unknowable and unfathomable.

Your priests and preachers say that just before they begin to tell you the lies about a God they say they cannot known.

And you swallow their lies about talking serpents and donkeys and make one out of yourself.

That is what you deserve for following a genocidal God who kills instead of cures.

If your doctor had the same mindset, you would look for a moral doctor who cured instead of killed.

Why are you not looking for a moral God and settling for a genocidal son murderer?

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17 Jun 2017, 3:53 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
Your own religions says that you cannot know God's judgement, as he is unknowable and unfathomable.

Your priests and preachers say that just before they begin to tell you the lies about a God they say they cannot known.

And you swallow their lies about talking serpents and donkeys and make one out of yourself.

That is what you deserve for following a genocidal God who kills instead of cures.

If your doctor had the same mindset, you would look for a moral doctor who cured instead of killed.

Why are you not looking for a moral God and settling for a genocidal son murderer?

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I will leave you with another article, about understanding God: Leaning on Our Own Understanding.

I answered the other questions already and asked you to please stop attacking me personally.

I am just informing you that I will no longer be engaging in this thread. Please have a nice day.


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17 Jun 2017, 6:12 pm

Any more of this kind of posting or any other form of personal attack and the thread will be locked:

"I see that you could not answer my question and just decided to spout more of your dogmatic B.S"



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26 Jun 2017, 1:09 pm

Knofskia wrote:
GnosticBishop wrote:
Your own religions says that you cannot know God's judgement, as he is unknowable and unfathomable.

Your priests and preachers say that just before they begin to tell you the lies about a God they say they cannot known.

And you swallow their lies about talking serpents and donkeys and make one out of yourself.

That is what you deserve for following a genocidal God who kills instead of cures.

If your doctor had the same mindset, you would look for a moral doctor who cured instead of killed.

Why are you not looking for a moral God and settling for a genocidal son murderer?

Regards
DL

I will leave you with another article, about understanding God: Leaning on Our Own Understanding.

I answered the other questions already and asked you to please stop attacking me personally.

I am just informing you that I will no longer be engaging in this thread. Please have a nice day.


If you could engage, you would.

Your genocidal son murdering God is not worthy of you as you would never do as that prick would ask of you.

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26 Jun 2017, 1:12 pm

B19 wrote:
Any more of this kind of posting or any other form of personal attack and the thread will be locked:

"I see that you could not answer my question and just decided to spout more of your dogmatic B.S"


I see that as statement of fact and not a personal attack.

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