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No, you keep ending up being a Trump supporter because you're consistently supporting Trump in arguments and attacking everyone who questions his actions with the "trump derangement syndrome" invective. If it walks like a Trump supporter, talks like a Trump supporter, and behaves like a Trump supporter what is it? Furthermore, if one is consistently supporting a politician but can't come to claim the politician as their own they're only showing a healthy dose of political cowardice.

As for Obama's response that's an easy question to answer: he did respond, he dismantled their 'official cover' operation in this country when he had the state dept. confiscate their compounds and he levied another round of sanctions. That's doing something, something very rare-- confiscating embassy-level property (considered sovereign land of the owner, meaning he flat took Russian soil) has only happened a handful of times in this country. As for why he didn't do it smack dab in the middle of the election: that's exactly what Putin wanted because it would be easy to paint Obama as attempting to influence an upcoming election.

As for your book analogy, you're reading a book that's about 20% written at this point, there's at least another year of investigation before Mueller and his team even begin to form conclusions. Just like a book, you'll have to wait until it's finished to make a determination on what was a plot hole and what was merely foreshadowing.

I highly suggest you read up on Phillip II of Macedon and his Athenian influence campaign, this isn't the first time misinformation has been used to influence a democracy, it's a tactic literally 2,350 years old, and precisely how the world's first democracy fell. Funny thing is, you know what Phillip did when he finally took Athens? He executed his Athenian supporters to cover up the evidence of his meddling, so tread cautiously.

Trump is more bothered by Obama's perceived inaction (Obama expelled Russians in retaliation) than the Russian interference itself. Why is Trump not saying he is going to do something about the Russian interference? Last I heard, he had invited them back to their American mansions.

Does anyone imagine that if BHO had made a public fuss about the Russian interference, DJT would have said, "Good job defending democracy!" or something?

I doubt it. He would have ignored credibility and tried to weave it into his great conspiracy theory. It would have fit too easily to pass up!

Also, DJT may not recall, but the intelligence chiefs briefed him on this. They did it when he was nominated, again when he won, and fully when he became president. If he ignored all that, it is his own fault.

Any T people who appear on "tapes" will retroactively be fired.

To me a person whom I view as having the maturity of a toddler combined with a priority to destroy and humiliate everybody that he thinks has slighted him and has slighted him is next to the nuclear football is far far far more important than any possible corruption or policy issue. I am grateful to just to wake up these days.

Name one person I have personally attacked this way. What person have I accused of having "trump derangement syndrome"?



Name a Trump policy that I have supported. I have said I think Obamacare is a failure. But I have not said anything in support of Trumpcare for instance. So what Trump policies have I been in direct support of?

What I have done is challenge some claims regarding certain issues because they seemed to be incorrect, lacking in logic, lacking in credibility and so forth. Like I'm doing right now.



Which again is what Trump accused him of, not wanting to rock the boat. But the main thing I pointed out was the flaw I saw in those coming to the conclusion that he's now saying the Russians did it.



Well I just read about a book that went through editing and that's basically what they did. They edited it as it progressed to point out problems they saw along the way. And that's what I will continue to do. I'm sure that pisses you off, but oh well.



Maybe I'll do that. I have read a bit about his son being a history buff. But in the meantime, I will continue to write my opinions regarding current claims as they unfold and make contemporaneous assessments.

But you do now have me pondering if Donald Trump Jr could become the next Alexander the Great

Ummm ..... hello.

No that's you and that other including yourselves. I talk about millions of people overall, and somehow that supposedly boils down to you personally.

I actually reported you once for calling her crazy repeatedly in a thread not long ago. Be honest, now. You say all the time lately how anyone who believes Trump might have done something impeachment-worthy must be insane, like almost on a daily basis you say this. You know that we can see your words when you type out comments here, right? That's how commenting on a forum works. You may not remember things after typing them, but many of us have very good memories for things we've read. Just look at your own commenting history for the last couple of months, it's full of statements about everyone denouncing Trump is being crazy and irrational.

I was waiting for that from her or you, but that wasn't me saying she had Trump derangement syndrome. That was me saying she was displaying a weird preoccupation with me. And you are following the same pattern making melodramatic speeches to me about how I'm personally affecting you on a visceral level and so on. Lengthy critiques and false claims against me on a very personal level - as if there's supposed to be some kind of personal relationship. Very personal, very persistent, very weird.



Nope that's not it at all. What I have said is that the way the left as a whole has acted has been insane. Do I really need to go down the very long list of all the insane behavior that has made national headlines? There's a big difference between a political party simply denouncing a president and them behaving in an outlandish manner, saying outlandish things, making outlandish claims and so on. Are you going to claim that hasn't been occurring wholesale on a regular basis? It has been and you know it.

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To whoever in general:

The person I get into it the most with, who expresses very strong sentiments against Trump and the right is, Kraichgauer (Bill). But I do not think he is crazy. We have sharp disagreements. He doesn't like the right, I don't like the left and so on, but that's all there is to it.

I have absolutely nothing against him personally. He makes all kinds of extremely derogatory comments about Trump supporters... and then calls me a Trump supporter. Now I suppose I could get all overly offended and extremely emotional over that start whining and crying that he's viciously attacking me - but to me that would be ridiculous.

He has kind of "offended" me a bit a few times I suppose, but I figure that's going to happen when two people argue over particular things on a regular basis. I call him on it and we hash it out. But I don't get all butthurt and hold a grudge.

We are just simply two people in a debate forum strongly expressing our opinions and opposing viewpoints about certain things at large. Neither of us is out to personally insult or personally attack the other. I have never gone on any kind of complaint campaign against him. And neither has he against me.

That's the way it's supposed to work.

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True, but not everyone has the same temperment as you or I, and might honestly take what you've posted as a slight.

Well I'm hoping maybe they'll get a better handle on that and cool it with the personal grudges. And trying to develop some sort of weird intimate personal animosity relationship between me and them. I have encountered this one too many times with a handful of people and I am tired of it. You should see a PM one of them sent me once. It was bizarre as hell.

This is some next level psychological projection.

I will do my part to stay out of discussions with you from now on, as you can't seem to be honest about your own words which we can all plainly read. I can't debate issues and ideas with people who can't be honest about things they've repeatedly said.

I'm sorry for intruding into your thread.

Lol not even remotely. Since you keep bringing up my mind and my psychology, you might want to do some reseach into those with moderate to severe classic autism, especially when it comes to detachment regarding others. Do you actually think you have managed to penetrate a wall that not even most of my immediate family have ever managed to get past? My interest in you personally is less than zero.



Please get real for once. My interpretation of what I say and think is different from your interpretation. That's all. My only problem with honestly is how brutally honest I am. Try employing more objectivity and logic and less subjectivity and unreasonableness. Try focussing on and discussing the actual subject matter instead of focusing on me.



Come back any time.

As far as the topic goes, I think it is obvious that Trump has good relations with Putin, and also Saudi Arabia and Poland, as he made a point of stopping at both. I think Trump is trying to rebuild alliances without the value of democracy. I'm glad Canada is getting closer with the EU.