Do Center Left to Right people need a liar?

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17 Jun 2017, 4:45 am

It seems that throughout the world, their is little support for center, center right or center left ideals. It seems that politicians like Jeremy Corbyn receive a large level of support from the electorate whilst others like Hillary Clinton, Cory Booker or Ed Miliband are largely considered unappealing by a large portion of the electorate.

I am worried about this, how can the center expand its appeal do we need a liar who can market itself to the extreme parts of their party and use it to get elected?



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18 Jun 2017, 5:34 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
It seems that throughout the world, their is little support for center, center right or center left ideals. It seems that politicians like Jeremy Corbyn receive a large level of support from the electorate whilst others like Hillary Clinton, Cory Booker or Ed Miliband are largely considered unappealing by a large portion of the electorate.

I am worried about this, how can the center expand its appeal do we need a liar who can market itself to the extreme parts of their party and use it to get elected?


If there are 40 people who are right wing, 40 who are left wing, and 20 who are centers, and 1 left wing candidate says "Gay marriage should be a right, 49 people will vote for them and 50 will not. If a candidate who is right wing says "Abortion should be banned!" 49 people will vote for them and 50 will not.

If a candidate from the middle says "Gay marriage should be a right and abortions should be banned, only 9 people are going to vote for them. The left won't vote for them because they think abortions should be banned and the right won't vote for them because they think gay marriage should be a legal right.



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18 Jun 2017, 5:50 pm

Chronos wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
It seems that throughout the world, their is little support for center, center right or center left ideals. It seems that politicians like Jeremy Corbyn receive a large level of support from the electorate whilst others like Hillary Clinton, Cory Booker or Ed Miliband are largely considered unappealing by a large portion of the electorate.

I am worried about this, how can the center expand its appeal do we need a liar who can market itself to the extreme parts of their party and use it to get elected?


If there are 40 people who are right wing, 40 who are left wing, and 20 who are centers, and 1 left wing candidate says "Gay marriage should be a right, 49 people will vote for them and 50 will not. If a candidate who is right wing says "Abortion should be banned!" 49 people will vote for them and 50 will not.

If a candidate from the middle says "Gay marriage should be a right and abortions should be banned, only 9 people are going to vote for them. The left won't vote for them because they think abortions should be banned and the right won't vote for them because they think gay marriage should be a legal right.


What if they say 'gay marriage and abortion should both be legal rights'.


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18 Jun 2017, 5:50 pm

There is a form of centrism, called voluntaryism.



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18 Jun 2017, 8:00 pm

there has been a politics of extreme centrism for the last 25 years or so, ever since the nineties, and it stopped working a while ago. so .... the centrist politicians are basically lying, when they say that more of centrist politics will change things - while in fact, they got us into this situation. insofar, your question is answered: the center is lying, but the lie seems less convincing these days.

or in the words of sarah palin: "what happened to all that hopey-changey-business?" - I'm personally far left, but I have to admit, she's got a point there.
Obama... politicians in general these days employ marketing agencies to come up with their slogans and images and with what they should try to sell- independent from their actual political agenda. Obama's policy, even before the election, didn't give much indication for hope and change. so... his slogans betrayed people. One could say, his slogans were a lie.

corbyn appeared refreshingly down to earth, old school. no polished campaign, but a guy talking to people about their actual problems, without having ties to wallstreet , or in his case, the city of london.


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19 Jun 2017, 12:07 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Chronos wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
It seems that throughout the world, their is little support for center, center right or center left ideals. It seems that politicians like Jeremy Corbyn receive a large level of support from the electorate whilst others like Hillary Clinton, Cory Booker or Ed Miliband are largely considered unappealing by a large portion of the electorate.

I am worried about this, how can the center expand its appeal do we need a liar who can market itself to the extreme parts of their party and use it to get elected?


If there are 40 people who are right wing, 40 who are left wing, and 20 who are centers, and 1 left wing candidate says "Gay marriage should be a right, 49 people will vote for them and 50 will not. If a candidate who is right wing says "Abortion should be banned!" 49 people will vote for them and 50 will not.

If a candidate from the middle says "Gay marriage should be a right and abortions should be banned, only 9 people are going to vote for them. The left won't vote for them because they think abortions should be banned and the right won't vote for them because they think gay marriage should be a legal right.


What if they say 'gay marriage and abortion should both be legal rights'.


Then I think they would be perceived as left wingers by the right, but still not gain sufficient trust among the left to be voted into office on a third party platform.



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19 Jun 2017, 6:58 am

Yeah, the last couple decades in the west have been ruled by 'radical centrist' liars. Who are the Clintons, who are Tony Blair?



what we're seeing now is a backlash to the lies



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19 Jun 2017, 7:13 am

The political center grows or shrinks depending on how well the electorate prefer things to be "just right." The American Eisenhower center was quite satisfied with the United States in the 1950s. As such, the political extremes shrank and had little influence for years.


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