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Wolfram87
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20 Jun 2017, 10:02 am

I'm decidedly left-leaning, but with a strong individualist/libertarian streak.


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20 Jun 2017, 10:30 am

I'm a socialist. I believe in equality for everyone, and don't think the current capitalist system works. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I think services like education and health care should be provided free to everyone based on need and not how much money you have.



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20 Jun 2017, 10:41 am

Socialism is great in theory----but, in its "pure" form, it doesn't work in practice.



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20 Jun 2017, 11:20 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Socialism is great in theory----but, in its "pure" form, it doesn't work in practice.


I don't think 'pure' socialism has ever been tried. But I think lots of socialist ideas, even when implemented in the current capitalist system, have been successful. For example free healthcare, education, welfare systems, minimum wages, etc have improved the lives of a lot of people.



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20 Jun 2017, 11:51 am

I agree. But these "socialist" ideas were usually successful within an overall "free-market" atmosphere. Even frank "socialist" regimes like Communist China have implemented some free-market type reforms.

There are hybrid Socialist-Capitalist economic systems which have worked well. An example of such a system where there is a relative preponderance of socialist features is found in the Scandinavian countries. An example of a system where there is relatively more free-market features is the one found in France.



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20 Jun 2017, 12:00 pm

The people in all Scandinavian countries are poorer per capita than Americans.
http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/income/

You can get "free stuff" up front, but you lose a life time of earnings through taxation, and end up poorer.

So, I think the trade-off sucks. Better to have freedom and the opportunity for wealth, than be a life slave to your government.



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20 Jun 2017, 12:11 pm

"When we get ready to take the United States, we will not take it under the label of Communism; we will not take it under the label of Socialism. These labels are unpleasant to the American people, and have been speared too much. We will take the United States under labels we have made very lovable; we will take it under Liberalism, under Progressivism, under Democracy. But, take it, we will."

~ Alexander Trachtenberg (1885-1966) National Convention of Communist Parties, Madison Square Garden, 1944

Capitalism is an economic model, not a political system. It allows for free market expression of individual will and accomplishment, in which the poorest have the same opportunities as the richest, to use their own ingenuity, abilities and personal ambition, to better themselves and achieve whatever level of material prosperity they are capable of, if they so desire. It does not guarantee success to anyone, nor does it deny any level of success to anyone determined and able to achieve it.

Socialism is an empty political promise by the supposedly "Intellectual Elite," to offer "fairness" and a "level playing field" to the supposed "victims" of "exploitation."

The claim is, that those who have material success are somehow exploiting those who don't in order to get it, therefore they owe the underachievers "their fair share." Using this irrational appeal to envy, the Elite stir up the masses of supposed "victims" to destabilize the existing society and form a new state, using theft by taxes to bring the wealthy down to the same socio-economic level as the peasantry, ensuring "equal poverty for all," by giving the underachievers that which they have not earned.

Meanwhile, the Elite, as arbiters of "the people's treasury" enjoy the luxury of privilege, while their duped followers are given only poverty-level sustenance and stripped of any and all means to better themselves, or to achieve any sort of personal success. Any dissent, or liberty to express dissatisfaction with these results is strictly prohibited.

"Socialism leads to Communism." - Vladimir Lenin


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20 Jun 2017, 12:53 pm

In regard to the OP's question: Let's just say that if a Liberal says the sky is blue, I'd have to see it, for myself----whereas, if a Conservative said the sky was purple, with pink polka-dots, I'd take them, at their word!! Why? Because, IME, too often, too many Liberals are Chicken Littles (and / or "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"), and the Conservatives, IME, just, AREN'T.

Also, anyone who thinks that EVERYONE should get a FREE education (as in, college)----REGARDLESS of income----well, that, just.....


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20 Jun 2017, 2:52 pm

Back in the day I was a Nixionian law and order, pro vietnam war, anti affirmative action person which made you a conservative. Back then I thought the government was too bureaucratic and to willing to impose thier viewes but not inherently evil, that made you a moderate conservative. My views were a lot like my dad so I guess it was genes. They say as you grow older you grow more conservative but I have been the opposite. I am an aspie and got to do things differntly :D . I think some of it is experence seeing people get in trouble for reasons other than bad decisions and laziness. Also the definitions and emphasis of what is conservatism changed a lot. Consevative means seeing the goverment as inherently evil these days. Also I was never into imposing religous and social conservatism via law or spending prorities that a lot of conservatives got into from the 80's onward.


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20 Jun 2017, 4:11 pm

Note that political orientation can quite accurately be predicted by an individual's neurology.


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20 Jun 2017, 4:37 pm

Spyoon wrote:
Note that political orientation can quite accurately be predicted by an individual's neurology.

How so, when I think we have EVERY orientation represented, here, on this site?








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21 Jun 2017, 2:28 am

Spyoon wrote:
Note that political orientation can quite accurately be predicted by an individual's neurology.


Link(s) please.


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21 Jun 2017, 3:15 am

I am a former right wing libertarian (had left wing sentiments before that but that's before I got into politics) turned far left winger. The alt right has a lot to do with it but I also find centrists from both sides alienating. I became disillusioned with the right as a whole and also got frustrated with centrists who always insist that both sides are equally just as bad and that they're somehow immune to being biased or ideological. I understand that they're trying to combat black and white thinking, but there's more than one shade of grey and it doesn't have to be right between the two.

Representation is everything to me, so I embrace identity politics to the fullest.



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21 Jun 2017, 3:24 am

I am probably center left. I am very left wing on social issues such as abortion, the death penalty, same sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in schools. On economic issues it is a mixed bag really, slightly to the left on welfare, but on some issues very centrist. In the case of France I approve of right wing policies such as removing employee protections, lowering minimum wage and extending the 35 hour working week to 40 hours.

I used to be allot more left wing, but after looking at the sheer negative impacts government intervention has had on the market I have reevaluated my views. A politician who represents my views is Hillary Clinton.



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21 Jun 2017, 5:33 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I find some "right-wingers" to be people who harp and complain about things, and who favor a "reactionary" response (such as building a wall to keep out Mexicans). There is a strong tendency towards cynicism. They have a negative view of human nature, and believe that most people are "out to get" each other (hence, the "reactionary" response).

I find some "left-wingers" to be irritating, too. They go overboard with the "political correctness." They think they are the Cat's Meow as far as being "socially conscious" is concerned. This does lead to a form of racism where "left-wingers" automatically assume that "minorities" are victims, and cannot rise out of their "victimhood," so they need the help of the "liberals." This is an extremely condescending view, and is seen as being condescending by the "minorities" in question. Yes, there is racism/discrimination that must be dealt with. But there are also many "minorities" who buck the trend, and seek to be "humans," rather than mere "minority entities." The best way to buck discrimination is to transcend the stereotypes.


I guess to this I will say there are always some bad apples that spoil the bunch. Just like here. An NT could have a bad experience with ONE aspie and go on to think that all aspies act and are a certain way and that is just not true. At all. The more I post here and am slowly starting to pay attention to screen names/ getting to know people here and reading posts is just the icing on the cake when it comes to that. I think " you people" ,for lack of a better term right now I apologize, are a brilliant bunch.

Getting back to point, I dont tend to harp and complain about right-winged issues. I am right winged because i enjoy traditional values. I enjoy men being men and women being women and the man being in charge in a lot of ways while the woman is more of a caretaker.....not so far as to say a 1950s mentality...i just...im very old fashioned I reckon..and right winged seems to support that and a lot of things I agree with.



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21 Jun 2017, 5:39 am

Shahunshah wrote:
I am probably center left. I am very left wing on social issues such as abortion, the death penalty, same sex marriage and the teaching of evolution in schools. On economic issues it is a mixed bag really, slightly to the left on welfare, but on some issues very centrist. In the case of France I approve of right wing policies such as removing employee protections, lowering minimum wage and extending the 35 hour working week to 40 hours.

I used to be allot more left wing, but after looking at the sheer negative impacts government intervention has had on the market I have reevaluated my views. A politician who represents my views is Hillary Clinton.


I respect your views and your post but I have to be honest and say I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton at all....but again I respect your views and your post and you as a person with their own thoughts.