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27 Jun 2017, 12:40 pm

jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
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"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


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27 Jun 2017, 1:08 pm

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"Democratic Socialism" is just selfish losers voting to get free stuff.

Boo hoo. Most people are selfish. I just admit it.

Conservatism isn't based on self-interest. It's based on self-flagellation.
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All successful countries haves moved away from that model. South Korea, Australia, Denmark, Ireland, Sweden, France, Russia, China, and Afganistan just to name a few. "Democratic Socalism" is killing places like Greece, Venesuala, Chille, Mexico, South Africa, South Sudan, Qatar, & Japan.

Explain why Scandinavia has such a high standard of living.

Venezuela is suffering because of American economic sanctions. Whenever socialism starts working somewhere, America always tries to destroy it.

Then they say "See? Socialism doesn't work! Quit whining and get back to work!"

Imagine if I blew up your house with dynamite and then said "See? Houses don't work!"

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Just because it has democratic in the name doesn't mean it works.


It is actually democratic.

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You can't expect the rich to pay 90% of the taxes and have the same day as everyone else.


50% of the world's wealth is in the hands of 5 people, all of whom are American. We can totally force those people to pay nearly all of the taxes. We just need to stop being bootlickers.

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And the "Military Industrial Complex," ohoooo. To bad we need a military it's not like we had to fight two world wars and a planes flew into our towers.


Those planes flew into the World Trade Center because we supported Israel. We supported their hate campaign against Palestine and we got revenge for it. The World Trade Center was struck for a reason. The hijackers understood something that most of us don't understand. Billionaires supported Israel in order to make money.

This isn't like WW2. The US government is run by billionaire lobbyists. They only want to make money. Their wars feed the oil companies and create Islamic extremism. We need to stop smashing up the Middle East and instead rely on diplomacy. This will never happen until we remove money from politics.

Quit being such a smug prick. Quit trying to look like a stuffy aristocrat. I know why conservatives want more war. They don't know what created ISIS in the first place.

You think you are three steps ahead of me. Think again. I'm four steps ahead of you.

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Government is corrupt and you want MORE GOVERNMENT?


Why do you think the government is corrupt? Billionaires keep messing it up.

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You have no idea what you are talking about because leftist never have to hear any opinion but there own but conservatives have to be masters in liberal philosophy because it bombards them all the time.


Jesus H. Christ! You are trying to be the snobbiest aristocrat on Wall Street!

My parents were conservatives until recently. I've argued with conservatives on the internet several times.

I'm not a garden-variety teenager who just watched a Michael Moore film. I listen to Noam Chomsky speeches on a daily basis. I'm not an ordinary socialist. I'm deeper than you can imagine.

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Everyone knows your opinion.


No you don't. I've already demonstrated this.

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Check out Pregar U or Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder.


I've seen point-by-point rebuttals to all of their videos.

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You obviously haven't hear the conservative side so you should probably shut your mouth and listen.


You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you should listen to socialist intellectuals. If everything that you know about socialism comes from random punks, then you don't understand anything.

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Everyone knows your responses so just listen for ONCE.
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Well ... look at this post. Did you see this coming?

Tell me.


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27 Jun 2017, 3:47 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


You want life to be EAISIER? Get real. If you believe it's hard now wait till you enter the real world. Now is the easiest time of your life. If you expect the world to stop for you your a fool. People die and give up so much everyday for you to get such the comfy life you have. People spend a year at a time away from their families to mine for natural gas and oil for your power. Soliders die for 20k a year. Truly disadvantage people work to get all A's to maintain scholarships because no one can co-sign a loan. Your a man. Grow a pair. If I said that my dad would have me clean every inch of the house to show me what hard work is. Your a bum. Join the real world.



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27 Jun 2017, 3:54 pm

How Conversations Between Socialists and Conservatives Usually Go

Socialist: We should redistribute the world's wealth! What's stopping us?
Conservative: You won't steal my money!
Socialist: The 5 richest people in the world own 50% of the world's total wealth. Are you one of those 5 richest people? If not, you will benefit from the redistribution of wealth. Can't you see? I'm trying to make our lives easier! I'm talking about mine and yours.
Conservative: Commies get out! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Socialist: There are many different kinds of socialism. I'm not a ...
Conservative: Stop helping me improve my life! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Save me Pepe! Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Kekistan!


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27 Jun 2017, 3:56 pm

jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


You want life to be EAISIER? Get real. If you believe it's hard now wait till you enter the real world. Now is the easiest time of your life. If you expect the world to stop for you your a fool. People die and give up so much everyday for you to get such the comfy life you have. People spend a year at a time away from their families to mine for natural gas and oil for your power. Soliders die for 20k a year. Truly disadvantage people work to get all A's to maintain scholarships because no one can co-sign a loan. Your a man. Grow a pair. If I said that my dad would have me clean every inch of the house to show me what hard work is. Your a bum. Join the real world.


Your tears are delicious.


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27 Jun 2017, 4:13 pm

jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


You want life to be EAISIER? Get real. If you believe it's hard now wait till you enter the real world. Now is the easiest time of your life. If you expect the world to stop for you your a fool. People die and give up so much everyday for you to get such the comfy life you have. People spend a year at a time away from their families to mine for natural gas and oil for your power. Soliders die for 20k a year. Truly disadvantage people work to get all A's to maintain scholarships because no one can co-sign a loan. Your a man. Grow a pair. If I said that my dad would have me clean every inch of the house to show me what hard work is. Your a bum. Join the real world.


Somebody needs a time out to cool off and learn the forum rules.



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27 Jun 2017, 4:55 pm

as i say to myself, dream like an anarchist could, live like a libertarian should, act like a socialist would, and vote however you see is best with the options you have. but ultimately, let your practices define you. mitigate your idealisms with the realities of the framework you live in. think from the top down but work from the bottom up. give&take locally, defend yourself AND your community, and in doing so, promote true individual freedom to the best of your ability.

food banks are interesting, because at least in my area the bank is very much a collective. yes donations are received (and special thanks to the market that donates as much as possible to the bank before donating to the dumpster) but there is also a burgeoning garden initiative with 3 very substantial gardens in town and expanding. the overwhelming majority of volunteers anywhere within the bank (they did a survey and it's currently 89%) are patrons themselves. for a long time poor people have established collectives to get by, and it doesn't necessarily have to be tied up by big government. i see so much potential in local NGO models to solve issues that people want the government to do but no one can agree on. talking in big circles is well and good but making small circles is more productive.

unfortunately, i'm some combination of insane and idyllic when it comes to my politics, hence why i rarely talk about them.

but the only tears i can taste are the tears of my ancestors. at least most of us can agree that personal freedom doesn't extend to the likes of nazism.



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27 Jun 2017, 4:56 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


You want life to be EAISIER? Get real. If you believe it's hard now wait till you enter the real world. Now is the easiest time of your life. If you expect the world to stop for you your a fool. People die and give up so much everyday for you to get such the comfy life you have. People spend a year at a time away from their families to mine for natural gas and oil for your power. Soliders die for 20k a year. Truly disadvantage people work to get all A's to maintain scholarships because no one can co-sign a loan. Your a man. Grow a pair. If I said that my dad would have me clean every inch of the house to show me what hard work is. Your a bum. Join the real world.


Your tears are delicious.


What sucks is that I'll have to pay your welfare.



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27 Jun 2017, 5:16 pm

Capital, under the present system, is created by a 5th Plank lending monopoly, without consideration. It doesn't need to be taken from anyone else.



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27 Jun 2017, 6:55 pm

Noam Chomsky is a genius.


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29 Jun 2017, 12:00 pm

jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


You want life to be EAISIER? Get real. If you believe it's hard now wait till you enter the real world. Now is the easiest time of your life. If you expect the world to stop for you your a fool. People die and give up so much everyday for you to get such the comfy life you have. People spend a year at a time away from their families to mine for natural gas and oil for your power. Soliders die for 20k a year. Truly disadvantage people work to get all A's to maintain scholarships because no one can co-sign a loan. Your a man. Grow a pair. If I said that my dad would have me clean every inch of the house to show me what hard work is. Your a bum. Join the real world.


Your tears are delicious.


What sucks is that I'll have to pay your welfare.

What the f**k. You're in Canada you piece of s**t. You better as f**k not use public healthcare if you get sick. I pray you get cancer and die in horrible pain.



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29 Jun 2017, 12:40 pm

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What the f**k. You're in Canada you piece of s**t. You better as f**k not use public healthcare if you get sick. I pray you get cancer and die in horrible pain.



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29 Jun 2017, 2:02 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
jcCoolidgejr. wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Libertarians" don't seem to realize that capitalism is a form of oppression.

If you need to work 24/7 in order to make just enough money to survive, that isn't freedom.


If you go into life with that attitude you'll be a loser. Learn a craft of skill. That's how people make money. Not flipping paddies.


Wow. Quit being a snob. Pull your head out of your ass.
I'm a university student. I just dream of something better. I want life to be easier.

Quit being a bootlicker.


You want life to be EAISIER? Get real. If you believe it's hard now wait till you enter the real world. Now is the easiest time of your life. If you expect the world to stop for you your a fool. People die and give up so much everyday for you to get such the comfy life you have. People spend a year at a time away from their families to mine for natural gas and oil for your power. Soliders die for 20k a year. Truly disadvantage people work to get all A's to maintain scholarships because no one can co-sign a loan. Your a man. Grow a pair. If I said that my dad would have me clean every inch of the house to show me what hard work is. Your a bum. Join the real world.


Somebody needs a time out to cool off and learn the forum rules.


Rules schmules. This is an excellent debate between these two.



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29 Jun 2017, 10:04 pm

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libertarians are generally nice, socially responsible people....


Not that I have observed.


I've in the past been at war with a right wing libertarian, and his gun toting, southern minion, and I concur. This character has in the past defended private business practising segregation, as it's their businesses, he argues, and so can make the rules. Apparently, being open to the public, at least in his mind, has limits. He's expressed his hatred of liberals, even though he's from one of the most liberal cities in the Pacific Northwest, while absolutely being in love with red state rednecks (no, I'm not kidding!).


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30 Jun 2017, 2:45 am

such poor quality discourse uttered by some here....

no ezra, rules are real. :) and this thread will be swiftly locked if the jeering isn't cut out.


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30 Jun 2017, 2:37 pm

His rules aren't real.