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10 Jul 2017, 9:46 pm

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If you weren't reviewing your cable subscription, a long time before, there is nothing more I can say to fix you. Please go sit in the corner.

But, if you have followed this cheesy soap opera for long enough, you would remember that Hillary had first threatened Russia, over Server-gate.

:jester: Could you also retract the crisis actors, who could not stay in character, and the really bad (like, Rocky and Bullwinkle bad) surnames. There is a saying about 'central casting.' It might have been an improvement, over improv. Bang, ding, ow.


Clinton was just supposed to let Russian attempts to derail her go unanswered?


She derailed herself. Don't blame "the Russians"! What she did to Bernie was utterly despicable. The Democrats only have themselves to blame for allowing Trump to become the President, but instead of using his victory to engage in some well-overdue soul-searching, they have decided to live in denial and smear all things Russian. Everything is someone else's fault, never their own.



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10 Jul 2017, 10:27 pm

Lintar wrote:
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If you weren't reviewing your cable subscription, a long time before, there is nothing more I can say to fix you. Please go sit in the corner.

But, if you have followed this cheesy soap opera for long enough, you would remember that Hillary had first threatened Russia, over Server-gate.

:jester: Could you also retract the crisis actors, who could not stay in character, and the really bad (like, Rocky and Bullwinkle bad) surnames. There is a saying about 'central casting.' It might have been an improvement, over improv. Bang, ding, ow.


Clinton was just supposed to let Russian attempts to derail her go unanswered?


She derailed herself. Don't blame "the Russians"! What she did to Bernie was utterly despicable. The Democrats only have themselves to blame for allowing Trump to become the President, but instead of using his victory to engage in some well-overdue soul-searching, they have decided to live in denial and smear all things Russian. Everything is someone else's fault, never their own.


Sure, what she did to Bernie was despicable, but the associations the Russians had with Trump's underlings (Manifort, Flynn, Sessions, Prince, even Donny Jr), which they have all tried to initially deny, can not be written off. The fact that they have tried hiding these meetings with the Russians reveals a consciousness of guilt.


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11 Jul 2017, 4:41 am

What happened to Trump Jnr's secret meeting with a Russian lawyer (linked to Putin) in order to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton?
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-t ... ?r=AU&IR=T



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11 Jul 2017, 5:05 am

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What happened to Trump Jnr's secret meeting with a Russian lawyer (linked to Putin) in order to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton?
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-t ... ?r=AU&IR=T


That's the million dollar question. It's amazing that Donny jr is even admitting to the meeting even having taken place, albeit denial on his part that anything was accomplished for his daddy's victory. Thing about being a liar is, the more said liar lies, the deeper he or she will end up in trouble.


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11 Jul 2017, 9:31 am

The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.



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11 Jul 2017, 2:10 pm

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The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.


Praising McCarthyism, huh? Are you aware how it ruined the lives of thousands of people? And no, they didn't deserve to have that happen to them.


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11 Jul 2017, 2:45 pm

Looking at Russia today, I'd hope for more people to recognize that plutocratic fascism with a capitalist face is the latest threat to freedom worldwide. Also looking at China and the Philippines. Also Venezuela, South Korea and Japan to be fair. I really could type a long list..


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11 Jul 2017, 2:49 pm

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Looking at Russia today, I'd hope for more people to recognize that plutocratic fascism with a capitalist face is the latest threat to freedom worldwide. Also looking at China and the Philippines. Also Venezuela, South Korea and Japan to be fair. I really could type a long list..


You are absolutely correct. And more and more conservatives, who might have otherwise opposed the new fascism, are now inclined to embrace it, because it overtly walks hand-in-hand with capitalism.


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11 Jul 2017, 6:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Looking at Russia today, I'd hope for more people to recognize that plutocratic fascism with a capitalist face is the latest threat to freedom worldwide. Also looking at China and the Philippines. Also Venezuela, South Korea and Japan to be fair. I really could type a long list..


You are absolutely correct. And more and more conservatives, who might have otherwise opposed the new fascism, are now inclined to embrace it, because it overtly walks hand-in-hand with capitalism.


A temporary marriage of convenience...I think Plato predicted 2400 years ago that societies evolve and transform through stages and fascism (as it's rearing it's ugly head around the world) will not be sustainable as you can't continually blame others forever and have stable governance.



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14 Jul 2017, 10:55 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.


Do you actually know anything at all about either economic system? Conflating the two, as you do here, tells me you don't.

I also don't see the connection between "fake Russian news" and how "it implants in people's minds" ideas about socialism and communism. Neither the U.S. nor Russia is either socialistic or communistic in any way, shape or form, so where is the logic in your reasoning? How do you connect the two here?



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15 Jul 2017, 1:24 pm

Lintar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.


Do you actually know anything at all about either economic system? Conflating the two, as you do here, tells me you don't.

I also don't see the connection between "fake Russian news" and how "it implants in people's minds" ideas about socialism and communism. Neither the U.S. nor Russia is either socialistic or communistic in any way, shape or form, so where is the logic in your reasoning? How do you connect the two here?

We have long feared the influence of Socialist and Communist ideas.

They threaten the "land of the free".

Russia/China/Europe all represent a danger, because their ideas might corrupt impressionable minds.

The fear is that Trump's connection to Putin means he would actually implement some Socialist or Communist idea.

This is what American news is reporting.



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15 Jul 2017, 3:40 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Lintar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.


Do you actually know anything at all about either economic system? Conflating the two, as you do here, tells me you don't.

I also don't see the connection between "fake Russian news" and how "it implants in people's minds" ideas about socialism and communism. Neither the U.S. nor Russia is either socialistic or communistic in any way, shape or form, so where is the logic in your reasoning? How do you connect the two here?

We have long feared the influence of Socialist and Communist ideas.

They threaten the "land of the free".

Russia/China/Europe all represent a danger, because their ideas might corrupt impressionable minds.

The fear is that Trump's connection to Putin means he would actually implement some Socialist or Communist idea.

This is what American news is reporting.


While Putin had once served a communist regime when he was in the KGB, he himself is anything but a communist. He represents a capitalistic gangsterism that has since taken over in Russia. Putin isn't interested in sowing the seeds of communism or socialism, but in growing other strongmen who will cooperate with him.


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15 Jul 2017, 5:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Lintar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.


Do you actually know anything at all about either economic system? Conflating the two, as you do here, tells me you don't.

I also don't see the connection between "fake Russian news" and how "it implants in people's minds" ideas about socialism and communism. Neither the U.S. nor Russia is either socialistic or communistic in any way, shape or form, so where is the logic in your reasoning? How do you connect the two here?

We have long feared the influence of Socialist and Communist ideas.

They threaten the "land of the free".

Russia/China/Europe all represent a danger, because their ideas might corrupt impressionable minds.

The fear is that Trump's connection to Putin means he would actually implement some Socialist or Communist idea.

This is what American news is reporting.


While Putin had once served a communist regime when he was in the KGB, he himself is anything but a communist. He represents a capitalistic gangsterism that has since taken over in Russia. Putin isn't interested in sowing the seeds of communism or socialism, but in growing other strongmen who will cooperate with him.

Americans don't know what's going on in Russia.

Their fear is that evil Communist Putin might influence Trump.



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15 Jul 2017, 5:52 pm

Putin's aggression against Russians and failed attempts at rigging the Russian elections show his weakness. It's still illegal to be a pathetically bad thief.


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15 Jul 2017, 6:29 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Lintar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The fake Russian news is good in one respect.

Like McCarthyism, it implants in people's minds that Socialism/Communism are evil.


Do you actually know anything at all about either economic system? Conflating the two, as you do here, tells me you don't.

I also don't see the connection between "fake Russian news" and how "it implants in people's minds" ideas about socialism and communism. Neither the U.S. nor Russia is either socialistic or communistic in any way, shape or form, so where is the logic in your reasoning? How do you connect the two here?

We have long feared the influence of Socialist and Communist ideas.

They threaten the "land of the free".

Russia/China/Europe all represent a danger, because their ideas might corrupt impressionable minds.

The fear is that Trump's connection to Putin means he would actually implement some Socialist or Communist idea.

This is what American news is reporting.


While Putin had once served a communist regime when he was in the KGB, he himself is anything but a communist. He represents a capitalistic gangsterism that has since taken over in Russia. Putin isn't interested in sowing the seeds of communism or socialism, but in growing other strongmen who will cooperate with him.

Americans don't know what's going on in Russia.

Their fear is that evil Communist Putin might influence Trump.


With Trump supporters chanting"Russia is our friend," I highly doubt that.


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30 Sep 2017, 6:38 pm

The massive "Russia Hacked the Election" fraud just keeps getting bigger. It was fraud and lies from the very beginning, cooked up by the Democrats and their media allies to try to cover up extensive criminality and corruption.

Yet Another Major Russia Story Falls Apart. Is Skepticism Permissible Yet?

LAST FRIDAY, most major media outlets touted a major story about Russian attempts to hack into U.S. voting systems, based exclusively on claims made by the Department of Homeland Security. “Russians attempted to hack elections systems in 21 states in the run-up to last year’s presidential election, officials said Friday,” began the USA Today story, similar to how most other outlets presented this extraordinary claim.

This official story was explosive for obvious reasons, and predictably triggered instant decrees – that of course went viral – declaring that the legitimacy of the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election is now in doubt....

MSNBC’s Paul Revere for all matters relating to the Kremlin take-over, Rachel Maddow, was indignant that this wasn’t told to us earlier and that we still aren’t getting all the details. “What we have now figured out,” Maddow gravely intoned as she showed the multi-colored maps she made, is that “Homeland Security knew at least by June that 21 states had been targeted by Russian hackers during the election. . .targeting their election infrastructure.”

They were one small step away from demanding that the election results be nullified, indulging the sentiment expressed by #Resistance icon Carl Reiner the other day: “Is there anything more exciting that [sic] the possibility of Trump’s election being invalidated & Hillary rightfully installed as our President?”

So what was wrong with this story? Just one small thing: it was false. The story began to fall apart yesterday when Associated Press reported that Wisconsin – one of the states included in the original report that, for obvious reasons, caused the most excitement – did not, in fact, have its election systems targeted by Russian hackers:

The spokesman for Homeland Security then tried to walk back that reversal, insisting that there was still evidence that some computer networks had been targeted, but could not say that they had anything to do with elections or voting. And, as AP noted: “Wisconsin’s chief elections administrator, Michael Haas, had repeatedly said that Homeland Security assured the state it had not been targeted.”

Then the story collapsed completely last night. The Secretary of State for another one of the named states, California, issued a scathing statement repudiating the claimed report....

But this is no isolated incident. Quite the contrary: this has happened over and over and over again. Inflammatory claims about Russia get mindlessly hyped by media outlets, almost always based on nothing more than evidence-free claims from government officials, only to collapse under the slightest scrutiny, because they are entirely lacking in evidence.

The examples of such debacles when it comes to claims about Russia are too numerous to comprehensively chronicle.


https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet ... sible-yet/


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