CNN: Execs to Review All Russia Stories After Retraction

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Putin's aggression against Russians and failed attempts at rigging the Russian elections show his weakness. It's still illegal to be a pathetically bad thief.

With Trump supporters chanting"Russia is our friend," I highly doubt that.

The massive "Russia Hacked the Election" fraud just keeps getting bigger. It was fraud and lies from the very beginning, cooked up by the Democrats and their media allies to try to cover up extensive criminality and corruption.

Yet Another Major Russia Story Falls Apart. Is Skepticism Permissible Yet?

LAST FRIDAY, most major media outlets touted a major story about Russian attempts to hack into U.S. voting systems, based exclusively on claims made by the Department of Homeland Security. “Russians attempted to hack elections systems in 21 states in the run-up to last year’s presidential election, officials said Friday,” began the USA Today story, similar to how most other outlets presented this extraordinary claim.

This official story was explosive for obvious reasons, and predictably triggered instant decrees – that of course went viral – declaring that the legitimacy of the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election is now in doubt....

MSNBC’s Paul Revere for all matters relating to the Kremlin take-over, Rachel Maddow, was indignant that this wasn’t told to us earlier and that we still aren’t getting all the details. “What we have now figured out,” Maddow gravely intoned as she showed the multi-colored maps she made, is that “Homeland Security knew at least by June that 21 states had been targeted by Russian hackers during the election. . .targeting their election infrastructure.”

They were one small step away from demanding that the election results be nullified, indulging the sentiment expressed by #Resistance icon Carl Reiner the other day: “Is there anything more exciting that [sic] the possibility of Trump’s election being invalidated & Hillary rightfully installed as our President?”

So what was wrong with this story? Just one small thing: it was false. The story began to fall apart yesterday when Associated Press reported that Wisconsin – one of the states included in the original report that, for obvious reasons, caused the most excitement – did not, in fact, have its election systems targeted by Russian hackers:

The spokesman for Homeland Security then tried to walk back that reversal, insisting that there was still evidence that some computer networks had been targeted, but could not say that they had anything to do with elections or voting. And, as AP noted: “Wisconsin’s chief elections administrator, Michael Haas, had repeatedly said that Homeland Security assured the state it had not been targeted.”

Then the story collapsed completely last night. The Secretary of State for another one of the named states, California, issued a scathing statement repudiating the claimed report....

But this is no isolated incident. Quite the contrary: this has happened over and over and over again. Inflammatory claims about Russia get mindlessly hyped by media outlets, almost always based on nothing more than evidence-free claims from government officials, only to collapse under the slightest scrutiny, because they are entirely lacking in evidence.

The examples of such debacles when it comes to claims about Russia are too numerous to comprehensively chronicle.

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet ... sible-yet/

Default response: It's still more reliable than Breitbart!

And just a few days ago, a Russian hacker farm, which had tried inflaming racism in Trump's favor, was uncovered. But I suppose that's fake, too.

It certainly sounds fake.

Is there any solid evidence these Russian troll farms exist?

Am late responding to this, but would like to ask,
who exactly is chanting "Russia is our friend?"
Can you name some names?
Anybody here on the WP forums?
Politicians?
Who?

In Kootenai county, Idaho, the politicians there issued a statement as such.
Right wing rallies, made up of hardcore Trump supporters, have chanted it publically.
Seriously? You haven't seen any of this on the news?

Yes, I'm sure there is. This is coming from the CIA and FBI, as well as every reputable news source. Are you on the right so suspicious of sane outlets that you doubt the very existence of the provable? First denial of evolution and the geological age of the earth, then global warming, now Russian interference in the last election. I swear, the right is so invested in their own version of reality that they'll deny common sense and all evidence.

No, I haven't seen any of this on the news.
You will note that I haven't been as active on Wrong Planet lately in the politics sections ...
Been busy with art and other things.

I did a quick Google search on Kootenai Idaho Russia and came up with this headline:
"Kootenai County GOP condemns sanctions, praises Russia for resisting ‘progressive globalist agenda’" ...
is that what you're referring to?
If so, it's not the same thing as "The Russians are our friends."
It's more like "At least there's something the Russians are doing right."
I will admit to not reading the article in depth right now since it's nearly 2:00 a.m.
so maybe I'm missing something.

Now I have watched some Trump rally videos.
At no time did I ever hear chants of "The Russians are our friends."
So which rally are you referring to?
I haven't seen all the rallies, so again, maybe I missed the ones you're talking about.

With all that being said, I think it would be nice if the Russians were really our friends.
And with That said ... I'm not convinced the Russians are our friends.

It's a chant among the Alt Right, which doesn't represent all Trump supporters, but who are in the vanguard.
With Russia currently rejecting democracy for the strongman cult of personality, I don't want any sort of alliance with them. We have strong ties to western Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, and other bastions of modern liberty that we should continue.

I'm not the right, I'm Ezra, and don't forget it. However, perhaps the right is suspicious of what the left believes because the left's credibility, not to mention their rationality, seems dubious. As for Homeland Security, what an excellent added reason for them to try eliminating any and all internet privacy; to stop those thousands of Russian trolls.

And yet, you are politically to the right.
The left has problems with credibility? It was the right that dreamed up, then fell for the whole Pizzagate nonsense, as well as science denial, birtherism, widespread voter fraud, etc. I could go on and on.
As for ending internet privacy - - it's Trump who wants to end Net Neutrality, and allow big business to have access to all our information.

Maybe a tad.
Looks like the right and the left are neck and neck in credibility.
What concerns me more than advertisers is, Homeland Security / NSA could easily use Russian troll farms as an excuse to remove internet privacy. Seems like Zuckerberg is already going along with it. So if you've ever asked why they would make stuff up, that could be a reason. That's why I'd like to see rock solid evidence. Far as I know, reputable news is just reporting what the government is saying/claiming about it.

The ones doing the chant must be extremists then. (Would still like to see proof that it's happening.) And if they're Alt Right, that's even weirder, because to me, I still see Russia as left wing. I've heard that some of the Alt Right are pretty much teenage troll types who want to bait their leftist parents and rebel against them, so they get into things like Pepe the Frog for shock value.

Russia definitely has room for improvement as a nation. About your not wanting any sort of alliance with them, how did you feel about their participation in World War II?

As for Japan in particular, I'm in the process of ordering some origami paper from a Japanese Etsy shop.

Russia was to the left back in the days of the Soviet Union, but today, they are a capitalistic, thugocratic kleptocracy.
While there are teenage trolls in the ranks of the Alt Right, most of their membership are angry adult white men, as are their leaders such as Richard Spencer and the jackass who runs the Daily Stormer. From the homicidal impulse we've seen from the Alt Right at Charlottesville, they're capable of far more than just trying to troll their parents.