Why do people argue about politics so much nowadays?

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26 Jun 2017, 4:49 am

People didn't used to argue about politics this much, did they? Why does every political discussion turn into world war 3 nowadays?


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26 Jun 2017, 5:08 am

It's due to the influence exerted by Donald Trump simply by existing.



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26 Jun 2017, 6:43 am

I can't say I agree with that assessment. During George W Bush's presidency the Bush/Cheney post were coming through hot and heavy. There was some of that with Obama but not as much.


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26 Jun 2017, 6:48 am

^ Yep. I'd say this has been going on few a few years and Trump has been in power for less than a year.

Rather than saying everyone arguing about politics was caused by Trump, I'd say the freakishly unusual conditions that allowed Trump to win were caused by everyone arguing about politics.


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26 Jun 2017, 7:02 am

People are jealous that folks with big investment portfolios are going to be much better off in a few years. In fact, mine is significantly better already. :D



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26 Jun 2017, 8:09 am

BTDT wrote:
People are jealous that folks with big investment portfolios are going to be much better off in a few years. In fact, mine is significantly better already. :D
Of course! It's because those lazy liberals don't have a good work ethic and instead of working hard and investing their money they squander their money on iPhones and fidget spinners until they become a burden on society and then they complain at the people who actually work hard and invest their money properly!

Ok, I was exaggerating for comedic effect with more than a little sarcasm but if they hate how the corporations are making more money than them, why don't they just invest in said corporations (if they're publicly traded) so that the corporation's success will be theirs?


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26 Jun 2017, 9:06 am

It is a slippery slope kind of thing. Somebody or a group says something generally thought to go too far for shock value and gets a lot of publicity for what they want to get across. Others seeing the success of this imitate him or her and thus what was previously thought to have been going too far becomes the new normal so some group feels the need to say something even more outrageous to shock people and the cycle keeps on going.


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26 Jun 2017, 9:14 am

People have been arguing politics vociferously since people began.

Trust me....there were heated political debates in Ancient Egypt.

Neanderthals probably had pitched political battles, too---especially as to who lead the hunter party.

Right now, we're going through a "phase" with Trump. Electing Trump was an attempt (unsuccessful) to get rid of the "old guard" in Washington. Trump evokes lots of emotion because of his political stances, his undiplomatic ways, his desire to quash the press, etc.



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26 Jun 2017, 9:31 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Ok, I was exaggerating for comedic effect with more than a little sarcasm but if they hate how the corporations are making more money than them, why don't they just invest in said corporations (if they're publicly traded) so that the corporation's success will be theirs?

Young people in the US are expected to pay off their college debt before they can even begin to save.



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26 Jun 2017, 9:36 am

@ Op: The stakes have risen.



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26 Jun 2017, 9:53 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
People have been arguing politics vociferously since people began.

Trust me....there were heated political debates in Ancient Egypt.

Neanderthals probably had pitched political battles, too---especially as to who lead the hunter party.

Right now, we're going through a "phase" with Trump. Electing Trump was an attempt (unsuccessful) to get rid of the "old guard" in Washington. Trump evokes lots of emotion because of his political stances, his undiplomatic ways, his desire to quash the press, etc.

Things have been getting worse ever since the 2008 recession. There is evidence that the west in general is in a slow economic decline. Costs keep rising while income is stagnant. The younger generation isn't doing as well as the older generation was doing at the same time in their life. Most people who haven't been set in life since the 90s (i.e. non-boomers) notice that life keeps getting harder, not easier.

There is a false notion among conservatives that this decline is due to loss of work ethic and loss of nationalistic pride/vitality. It's a strongly ingrained gut reaction that has a certain "common sense" feel. Conservatives don't want to see this decline as a natural consequence of the stresses of economic globalization, because they don't want to see it as something out of their control. They would rather believe that people are just getting lazier and the poor are becoming more and more of a burden on the system dragging everyone down.



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26 Jun 2017, 10:04 am

BTDT wrote:
People are jealous that folks with big investment portfolios are going to be much better off in a few years. In fact, mine is significantly better already. :D

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marshall wrote:
Young people in the US are expected to pay off their college debt before they can even begin to save.

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26 Jun 2017, 10:22 am

It seems to me it's only Americans engaging in pointless political debate, about American politics.:wink:


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26 Jun 2017, 10:43 am

C2V wrote:
It seems to me it's only Americans engaging in pointless political debate, about American politics.:wink:

Well...there was that Brexit thing in the UK. And the French election was kinda dramatic.



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26 Jun 2017, 11:31 am

C2V wrote:
It seems to me it's only Americans engaging in pointless political debate, about American politics.:wink:

I certainly hope that that "wink" means you're joking----cuz, not only is it NOT "only Americans", it's mostly NON-Americans that start / participate, in the threads.







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26 Jun 2017, 12:58 pm

Politics is such a hot topic right now because the Left (AKA Marxists, Socialists, “Progressives,” Communists) have spent more than a half century infiltrating the educational systems, the media, and both political parties in the US, quietly installing their agenda, which is part and parcel the same as the United Nations’ agenda, which is to enslave the entire planet under a global totalitarian government, under which citizens are merely disposable biological units, who exist in service to the Party Elite. If it sounds a lot like Orwell’s novel 1984, that’s because Orwell was satirizing the Stalinist model of Soviet Communism.

After spending the last generation using the US school system to indoctrinate Gen X, Gen Y and the Millennials into blindly accepting the precepts of Marxist Socialism, they were finally ready to “fundamentally transform” the United States, under the Marxist Barack “in college I sought out the Marxist professors (‘Dreams from My father’ p101)” Obama, and to follow him immediately with Hillary Clinton (who wrote her thesis praising Communist Activist Saul Alinski, then interned with Bob Treuhart, leader of the California communist Party). The ultimate goal, to meld the US into the “North American Union” (a plan co-designed by Ted Cruz’ wife Heidi, for the globalist Council on Foreign Relations.) The NAU, eventually to be yoked to the European Union, as part of the global Marxist “New World Order.”

This would, of course, require the obliteration of the Free Market Capitalism that has made the United States a globally dominant super power, and the bastion of individual liberty and personal opportunity for the entire planet. Marxism does not allow for individual opportunity to achieve and excel, instead substituting across-the-board poverty for all citizens (except the Party Elite), in the name of “fairness.” In the Marxist view, which is entirely atheistic, human beings are mere accidents of nature, non-unique bags of talking protoplasm, all equally valueless, except as tools of the state, therefore every citizen is a replaceable disposable unit – as are their progeny, as witnessed by the Leftist insistence on the sanctity of infanticide by abortion. In other words, in a Leftist world, you will live as the government tells you to live, do what the government tells you to do, and die when the government is through with you. In the meantime, Big Brother government will provide for you the means of sustenance (as long as those needs are basic), and since no other opportunity for acquiring more will exist, you will be dependent on government for those basics.

To render the populace pliant and even eager for the change to this government slavery, schools have sung the siren song of Socialism for several decades now, even as the media have ridiculed anything traditional or conservative about the USA’s founding principles. Conservative thinkers have been painted as uneducated rubes to be mocked, society itself divided into hundreds of splinter groups, all “victims” of the “privileged;” local law enforcement is called “dangerous,” while big government offers solutions to social problems that simple statistics prove do not actually exist. And all the while, “scientific experts” preach a mythical “GLOBAL” threat that requires the unilateral action of a GLOBAL authority. All of this propaganda and protest bought and paid for by the billionaire elitists who will control the new society, on behalf of all the stupid peasants. Doubt that this could be true? Ready to call it all tinfoil hat conspiracy theory? Read the bible written by Bill Clinton’s mentor Carroll Quigley – it’s called ‘Tragedy & Hope,” and it describes precisely what I’ve just outlined here.

So all the political arguing you’re hearing lately is simply the voices of the last generations who truly understand what freedom and liberty mean (on both sides of the pond, this is what Brexit was about, too), fighting to save that freedom for their children and grandchildren, most of whom are so brainwashed, they’re cheering for their own slavery and don’t even realize it. And all the hateful slandering of Donald Trump is merely the octopus of the New World Order trying to stop an American Patriot from undoing years of their Machiavellian machinations.

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