Why do people argue about politics so much nowadays?
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Not being able to save, because of college debt. Is a excuse, plain and simple. Liberals are hated by many (not just conservatives), because they don't accept personal responsibility for their actions.
For those who can only find a sh***y low-paying job it is a valid excuse. Boomers didn't have to take out insane college loans because college wasn't expensive for them. They also didn't even need to go to college because they had cushy union jobs. These jobs are now GONE. These are f*****g FACTS. Saying that people "don't accept personal responsibility" is a personal attack through invalidation, not a legitimate argument. Conservatives acting like total sociopathic s**theads who would rather attack victims instead of addressing the actual systemic problems... this is the source of anger in todays politics.
If you don't have a 3.65+ gpa then don't complain about not getting into college because you obviously didn't work hard enough. You know why conservatives make more money than you? Because instead of craken open beers and smoking bowls they worked hard in school and worked their AS*ES off at their first few jobs. People aren't conservative because they're rich they're rich because they're conservative. Don't be mad at hard workers just because your lazy.
George Soros, most of Hollywood and and a majority of billionaire donors to the Democrates are not conservative. Some of them must have worked hard.
All the conservative Autistics that post here on disability are all lazy bums?(SMH)
Hard work increases your chance at being rich, talent increases your chances of being rich, having the right connections increases your chance of being rich most of all. Political world view has little or nothing to do with it.
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Not being able to save, because of college debt. Is a excuse, plain and simple. Liberals are hated by many (not just conservatives), because they don't accept personal responsibility for their actions.
For those who can only find a sh***y low-paying job it is a valid excuse. Boomers didn't have to take out insane college loans because college wasn't expensive for them. They also didn't even need to go to college because they had cushy union jobs. These jobs are now GONE. These are f*****g FACTS. Saying that people "don't accept personal responsibility" is a personal attack through invalidation, not a legitimate argument. Conservatives acting like total sociopathic s**theads who would rather attack victims instead of addressing the actual systemic problems... this is the source of anger in todays politics.
If you don't have a 3.65+ gpa then don't complain about not getting into college because you obviously didn't work hard enough. You know why conservatives make more money than you? Because instead of craken open beers and smoking bowls they worked hard in school and worked their AS*ES off at their first few jobs. People aren't conservative because they're rich they're rich because they're conservative. Don't be mad at hard workers just because your lazy.
George Soros, most of Hollywood and and a majority of billionaire donors to the Democrates are not conservative. Some of them must have worked hard.
All the conservative Autistics that post here on disability are all lazy bums?(SMH)
Hard work increases your chance at being rich, talent increases your chances of being rich, having the right connections increases your chance of being rich most of all. Political world view has little or nothing to do with it.
If you don't believe the world is your oister it won't be. Soros uses governments to get a leg up and it isn't hard to be in Hollywood. If all you do is complain and say it's impossible to pay for 80k debt then your a loser and will live life as such. There is no oppression.
Not being able to save, because of college debt. Is a excuse, plain and simple. Liberals are hated by many (not just conservatives), because they don't accept personal responsibility for their actions.
For those who can only find a sh***y low-paying job it is a valid excuse. Boomers didn't have to take out insane college loans because college wasn't expensive for them. They also didn't even need to go to college because they had cushy union jobs. These jobs are now GONE. These are f*****g FACTS. Saying that people "don't accept personal responsibility" is a personal attack through invalidation, not a legitimate argument. Conservatives acting like total sociopathic s**theads who would rather attack victims instead of addressing the actual systemic problems... this is the source of anger in todays politics.
If you don't have a 3.65+ gpa then don't complain about not getting into college because you obviously didn't work hard enough. You know why conservatives make more money than you? Because instead of craken open beers and smoking bowls they worked hard in school and worked their AS*ES off at their first few jobs. People aren't conservative because they're rich they're rich because they're conservative. Don't be mad at hard workers just because your lazy.
George Soros, most of Hollywood and and a majority of billionaire donors to the Democrates are not conservative. Some of them must have worked hard.
All the conservative Autistics that post here on disability are all lazy bums?(SMH)
Hard work increases your chance at being rich, talent increases your chances of being rich, having the right connections increases your chance of being rich most of all. Political world view has little or nothing to do with it.
If you don't believe the world is your oister it won't be. Soros uses governments to get a leg up and it isn't hard to be in Hollywood. If all you do is complain and say it's impossible to pay for 80k debt then your a loser and will live life as such. There is no oppression.
Is it possible for you to post without personally insulting people, or is that the only way you know how to discuss issues? Because if it is the only way you know how to function, you won't last long on this forum.
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For the rest it's an arms race. If you're hiring for a job that doesn't require a degree but you favour the one applicant who has a bachelor degree, a few years later they all get bachelor degrees to keep up with guys who got one to keep up with the first guy, then a few years later some applicants have a masters degree so everyone else has to get one to keep up with those guys, and so on.
It's bad for the economy if it keeps more people out of the workforce for more years, spending money rather than making it. As you said, more demand increases the price. A shortage of professors means professors gets higher wages and the students pay for it.
You can raise the level of education but you won't increase the number of people who fit in the top 50% or the top 10%. Simplified example. There's a town of a hundred people and two employers. One employer will hire the top 50% most educated and one employer will hire the top 10%. So now we have 50 people who could work at the first company and within those 50, 10 people who could work at the second company. Now everyone in town of 100 people gets twice as educated, there's still 50 people who could work for the first company and 10 who could work at the second.
It's like in a race. Only 3 people get on the podium and even if everyone ran twice as fast, it wouldn't double the number who get on the poduim. Specific degrees are great for specific careers but hiring people who have any degree because it means they've proven themselves just means that you have to pay to prove yourself when formally, you'd prove yourself on the job.
Not just pay with money, for someone like me who works 40 - 60 hours per week I'm time poor. I could afford to go to college if it was a matter of money but me and a lot of people can't spare the time. I'd be far more worried about removing myself from the workforce for four years and not earning a salary than I would be about paying a few $10,000s. Not working full-time for four or five years would cost more hundreds of thousands, much more than the cost of the degree.
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Not being able to save, because of college debt. Is a excuse, plain and simple. Liberals are hated by many (not just conservatives), because they don't accept personal responsibility for their actions.
For those who can only find a sh***y low-paying job it is a valid excuse. Boomers didn't have to take out insane college loans because college wasn't expensive for them. They also didn't even need to go to college because they had cushy union jobs. These jobs are now GONE. These are f*****g FACTS. Saying that people "don't accept personal responsibility" is a personal attack through invalidation, not a legitimate argument. Conservatives acting like total sociopathic s**theads who would rather attack victims instead of addressing the actual systemic problems... this is the source of anger in todays politics.
If you don't have a 3.65+ gpa then don't complain about not getting into college because you obviously didn't work hard enough. You know why conservatives make more money than you? Because instead of craken open beers and smoking bowls they worked hard in school and worked their AS*ES off at their first few jobs. People aren't conservative because they're rich they're rich because they're conservative. Don't be mad at hard workers just because your lazy.
You, sir, is why I loathe all political persuasions.
Even though I worked my keister off in high school, in addition to 2, and sometimes 3 part-time jobs, I was lucky to earn a 2.5 GPA in high school. No, I didn't drink, smoke or party, let alone socialize. The mantra was "Work you ass off until you drop dead, then immediately get back up and start working, because there is NO rest for the weary. Lather, rinse, repeat." The only activity I was allowed was the school band (we didn't have enough money to let me participate in anything else). The band director was one that expected his students to be professional at all times, else you never played in any instrumental groups in the school from that point on.)
Ditto with college. I was lucky to graduate with a 2.05 GPA. This was back in the late '70's, so there were absolutely, positively no support systems in place for those of us on the spectrum, let alone those of us that were mental cases. My academic advisors NEVER, in either high school or college sat down and discussed the options. To make matters even worse, my parents were dead set against me going to college. Other than have them fill out the forms for FAFSA, and me begging for spending money every week, they told me college is on your dime, and we want nothing to do with it. I may be somewhat liberal, but I sure as hell know what hard work is, especially after working for over 30 years at 1 full time and 2 part time jobs at an average of 70 hours a week. It's part of the reason I'm on food stamps (at $16.00 a month) and SSDI (and my relatives still consider me to be a lazy mother f!cker and a useless bum for even collecting that!)
Don't even getting started on how political campaigns have been negatively run since time immemorial.
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Who works harder? The poor kid who works 2 or 3 jobs in school and gets a 2.5 GPA or the middle class kid who works 0 jobs in high school and gets a higher GPA?
Same for college. Do the rich expect people to work their way through college and be able to devote the same amount of time and attention as students who aren't working?
Less time to study for those who must work is one of the many factors of the poverty cycle. Ignoring this factor gives us a false meritocracy.
Time is not the only scarce resource when working your way through college, there's also energy. Some who works will be more tired in class. The brain didn't evolve to run flat out all day.
Speaking of the brain, some people just have perfect memories. Some people are very fast learners. I've known people with bad memories who struggled in college because even though they studied their butts off. They did not spend their time cracken beers and smoking bowls. But that's what peoples will say about them.
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I can accept inequality. I can accept that material success is not always a meritocracy.
If some people are just born smarter or more tireless than others I don't mind the smart guy getting paid more.
I'm not bothered by inequality, I'm bothered by people who act like we all have the same start in life or we're all born with the same learning ability.
In other words the false meritocracy bothers me more than the lack of meritocracy.
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If some people are just born smarter or more tireless than others I don't mind the smart guy getting paid more.
I'm not bothered by inequality, I'm bothered by people who act like we all have the same start in life or we're all born with the same learning ability.
In other words the false meritocracy bothers me more than the lack of meritocracy.
Intelligence and book-smarts are vastly overrated in terms of what it takes to be "successful" in the real world anyways. University may be a requirement for many jobs, but it does not prepare you.
Also the notion that typical minimum-wage jobs are "easy" for everyone is total BS. I know I would not be able to deal with the rote-memorization involved in being waitstaff at a restaurant, for example. My mind tends to wander to more interesting subjects so I really just can't focus enough on menial tasks. The pressure of constant social performance in any type of retail job is also exhausting. I don't believe I am "better" than people who do these jobs as I am not an elitist s**t, but I know I actually find higher-paid jobs easier. I would therefore have to "work harder" at the lower paid jobs. So much for simplistic meritocracy thinking.
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Not being able to save, because of college debt. Is a excuse, plain and simple. Liberals are hated by many (not just conservatives), because they don't accept personal responsibility for their actions.
For those who can only find a sh***y low-paying job it is a valid excuse. Boomers didn't have to take out insane college loans because college wasn't expensive for them. They also didn't even need to go to college because they had cushy union jobs. These jobs are now GONE. These are f*****g FACTS. Saying that people "don't accept personal responsibility" is a personal attack through invalidation, not a legitimate argument. Conservatives acting like total sociopathic s**theads who would rather attack victims instead of addressing the actual systemic problems... this is the source of anger in todays politics.
If you don't have a 3.65+ gpa then don't complain about not getting into college because you obviously didn't work hard enough. You know why conservatives make more money than you? Because instead of craken open beers and smoking bowls they worked hard in school and worked their AS*ES off at their first few jobs. People aren't conservative because they're rich they're rich because they're conservative. Don't be mad at hard workers just because your lazy.
George Soros, most of Hollywood and and a majority of billionaire donors to the Democrates are not conservative. Some of them must have worked hard.
All the conservative Autistics that post here on disability are all lazy bums?(SMH)
Hard work increases your chance at being rich, talent increases your chances of being rich, having the right connections increases your chance of being rich most of all. Political world view has little or nothing to do with it.
If you don't believe the world is your oyster it won't be. Soros uses governments to get a leg up and it isn't hard to be in Hollywood. If all you do is complain and say it's impossible to pay for 80k debt then your a loser and will live life as such. There is no oppression.
I did not say there was a conspiracy of oppression. That is the Trump supporters and SJW's things, not mine. I said hard work helps, having the right connections is most important. The two are not mutually exclusive. Talent is important. If you are a midget no matter how much your dream is to play in the NBA and no matter hard you work at it, is not going to happen. If you are not born into right connections and you have no networking talent like most on this board the world will not be at your beck and call not how hard you try. Again, if you try hard to learn networking skills and work hard at using them you will likely do better then if you say f**k it I can not do it. You might even have a decent life, but the world will not likely be your oyster. If you have the little talent the world is not likely to be your oyster unless you were born into the right connections. If you were not born into connections and there is little or no demand for what you are good at, and heavy demand for what you have a little natural talent for (like networking and teamwork skills the days) the world most likely not be your oyster. That has nothing to do with you being a lazy, whiny, bastard but the bad LUCK of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yeah, luck/ randomness whatever you want to call it, it exists. The real world is not a computer where you program it and it does exactly what you instruct it do.
Hollywood easy? Speak for yourself and the Hollyweird actors who have everything handed to them. It would be excruciatingly difficult for me to be successful in Hollywood with all the social obligations needed. I am sure it took a lot of hard work for Soros to figure out how to use governments, that does not make him conservative.
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I see very little actual "arguing" from certain people. Instead I see a lot of tired ad hominem BS.
Trust me....there were heated political debates in Ancient Egypt.
Neanderthals probably had pitched political battles, too---especially as to who lead the hunter party.
Right now, we're going through a "phase" with Trump. Electing Trump was an attempt (unsuccessful) to get rid of the "old guard" in Washington. Trump evokes lots of emotion because of his political stances, his undiplomatic ways, his desire to quash the press, etc.
I was about say, it's not like people haven't been arguing.
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