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11 Jul 2017, 12:41 am

my parents gave me a pigshave until I was 12. then they let me grow it to my shoulders or so.



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11 Jul 2017, 1:45 am

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11 Jul 2017, 2:15 am

...,Before this phone last ran out of juice and ZI had to recharge I posted re: that Mature Audiences thing and coming-attrahchioned re: the MPAA and what happened in '72. I thought it went up but it did not :( .I will say more later, when more time have.
Remember, I as m in s HL shelter bed, it approaches midnight, to-doaitch I have special plans and I need to not be mid-day s ppl eepy. I want to go to a special movie, my first in a while, why don't:t you look up and see what movies play S.F. Tues the 11th and guess what it is? One of the " cool things " that I in theory stay in S.F. for the availability of that in practice I can almost never do,:-(.
" Practical " reasons for staying in S.F. are the many hospitals/being plugged into the system, considering my state, and the CCSF possibility.
I never had really " long " hair. I got sort of caught up in the (if you will) original punk/new wave era when it came along in the late Seventies! I got myself in DEEP trouble for sharing my head in 1980 (SOB!) - now it's commonplace.
My male of the two sh***y cousins I've told you about, AB, 8 years older, also had 'Nam-ers military involvement. More later.


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11 Jul 2017, 2:26 am

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I remember in the summer of 1968, I was in the backseat of the family rambler ambassador station wagon, and my dad was at the wheel, we drove by some hippies who were walking along the side of the road in Spanaway park, and my dad stuck his head out the window and hollered at them, "YOU G*DD*MN NO-GOOD LONG-HAIRED HIPPIES!!" and I didn't really understand why he was so mad at them when they hadn't done him any harm. that was my first exposure to them semi-directly, other than a 2nd or 3rd hand report of them on the radio newscast, when the newscaster [am guessing it was 1965] was talking about long-haired pot-smoking student protesters on the Berkeley campus. in my little 4-year old head I was picturing long-haired young adults with pot handles sticking out from their mouths.


We always had the evening news on and it was filled with stories about hippies, riots and protests. On occasion he would curse at the protesters on TV. A few times he attended pro war demonstrations.

The only time I remember people truly frightened that "the blacks" would come and burn down the neighborhood was after Martain Luther King was assassinated.


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11 Jul 2017, 5:56 am

Racism against blacks and "Puerto Ricans" was taken for granted in NYC in the 60s and 70s. Racial attacks didn't make the news, really, until Howard Beach in 1986.

It was taken for granted that "minorities" "weren't allowed" in certain neighborhoods.

Racism was much worse then.



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11 Jul 2017, 6:36 am

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There were always 10 times as many North Vietnamese/Vietcong dead as American dead. About 5 times more South Vietnamese dead as US dead.

They used to report the death toll at least weekly.


Yeah!

That was a big part of growing up in the late Sixties.
Those casualty totals they would report at the end of each week on TV (Howard K. Smith, Kronkite, all of them on each channel).

My parents, and their friends, would even comment in dismay about how "they are reporting this war like its a football game!".

Each week the VC would ten times our death toll. But at one point American deaths exceeded the deaths of our allies the South Vietnamese, before the leveled off. Typically it would be like U.S. 200 dead, South Vietnamese 500 dead, and the NVA/VC 2000 dead. Then a couple dozen for our other token "allies" (Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea).



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11 Jul 2017, 7:17 am

when will these permanent wars finally end? when the chickens come home to roost, we will belatedly find we've sowed a bad seed of destruction, and will reap a whirlwind that will rent us asunder. but nobody cares.



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11 Jul 2017, 9:41 am

Very Barry McGuireish......

Woodrow Wilson sort of had the right idea----but he had other problems.

He preached about WW I being "the war that ends all wars" and all that---yet he couldn't convince the Senate to ratify the League of Nations. He sort of pulled a Trump on that one, that's why. In the sense where he tried to browbeat the Legislative Branch.



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11 Jul 2017, 11:04 am

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It was taken for granted that "minorities" "weren't allowed" in certain neighborhoods.

Racism was much worse then.


Back then if there was a rumor you were going to sell to a black family you were going to get firebombed. And there were racial clashes where the police had to come in high school.

It still very segregated on Long Island. True we are more "diverse" with Koreans, Sikh's etc here now, but no blacks, or openly "mentally disabled". Until recently it was more covert, but since Trump got elected there have been a number of nasty vandalism incidents, and an incident black security guard got beat up trying to shop by other cops in the neighborhood.


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11 Jul 2017, 1:13 pm

I don't remember the year, specifically, but I remember all "3 Americas", in that I vividly remember hippies, riots, and going to work with a shirt-and-tie (adults did, I mean).

I remember the ERA, very well----I associate each era, mostly, with music and TV.....

To me, Rock, Country, R&B, and Gospel, are VERY closely related----so, I was into all of those; and, a few from other genres. I was very big into what they called, in-those-days, "The Black Sound" (meaning, black singers, in general [or, whites who were thought to "sound black"] - not just Motown): Elvis, The Righteous Brothers, Simon and Garfunkel, Jefferson Airplane (later "Jefferson Starship"), Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, "The Jimi Hendrix Experience", The Supremes, Marvin Gaye, The Monkees, Martha and the Vandellas, The 5th Dimension, Dionne Warwick, Petula Clark, Jackie Wilson, The Temptations, The Chi-Lites (very first 45 - "Have You Seen Her" - still have it), The Mamas & the Papas, Ray Charles, Four Tops, Sonny and Cher, Johnny Rivers, Tom Jones, Neil Diamond, The Doors, The Who, Peter, Paul and Mary.....

On TV, I remember, most: "The Ed Sullivan Show", "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", Walter Cronkite, "I Spy", and "Peyton Place" (which I didn't like, and thought it was total hooey!).

I remember that down-home, my family didn't have indoor plumbing (and didn't 'til around near-mid-70s); and, seeing signs "Coloreds Around Back".

In fashion, women still wore hats and gloves, and men wore fedoras.

Socially, virtually everybody was religious, and went to church on Sunday (or Temple [Jewish], on Saturday). The whole family would sit-down and eat supper, together. Moms stayed at home, and took care of the house and kids----and, dads went-out to work, and mostly, it seems, worked 'til they dropped dead of a heart-attack. Divorce was almost unheard-of. ALL stores were closed, on Sunday. Kids played outside----and walked to school, by themselves----without fear of being kidknapped. There were no seatbelts, in cars. No malls. Only the rich vacationed in Europe----others vacationed, locally (went to the beach, or neighboring states).....

Except for the discrimination against blacks, the riots, and some other things..... Ahhh, THOSE were the days!!





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11 Jul 2017, 1:40 pm

In those days, teenagers used to lug record players to each other's houses so they can listen to records together.

"Gay" didn't mean homosexual to most people then; it meant "happy." The "Gay Divorcee" wasn't a lesbian.

My brother got a record player for Christmas (this was December, 1965), and he told me I better not break it or else I'd be sorry. He kept on playing "Hanky Panky" by Tommy James and the Shondells constantly.

My parents got me a crew cut even in the winter. I used to get a lollipop for being good at the barber's. I had to sit on telephone books on top of the barber's chair.

Women used to carry around special bags which contained their hats. They were round. They also wore girdles.

We had to wear dress shirts, slacks, and shoes to school every day, not just for assembly. On June 14th, everybody had to line up outside the school as if there was a fire drill, and salute the flag, because it was Flag Day.

Even in first grade, we sat in individual desks, and had to fold our hands while the teacher spoke. There was no "circle time" in first grade then. We were really "going to school." If we talked back to the teacher, we either got hit with a ruler, or got thrown out of class into the hall. The teacher used to do the "V for Victory Sign," and say "shhhhhhhh" if she wanted silence. We had to say, "Good Morning, Mrs. Whatever."

Even though my mother was Jewish and my father was Catholic, I still had to get dressed up for Easter, and promenade around the main drag.

My father used to give me a quarter in 1968 to go get the Sunday New York Times. I could barely carry it home. I got lucky once because I dropped it right next to a grate, and it didn't go down the grate. You weren't allowed to waste a quarter then.

My grandmother used to call me "Master Don Richard." "Master" was the formal title for a young boy.



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11 Jul 2017, 5:30 pm

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I don't remember the year, specifically, but I remember all "3 Americas", in that I vividly remember hippies, riots, and going to work with a shirt-and-tie (adults did, I mean).

I remember the ERA, very well----I associate each era, mostly, with music and TV.....

To me, Rock, Country, R&B, and Gospel, are VERY closely related----so, I was into all of those; and, a few from other genres. I was very big into what they called, in-those-days, "The Black Sound" (meaning, black singers, in general [or, whites who were thought to "sound black"] - not just Motown): Elvis, The Righteous Brothers, Simon and Garfunkel, Jefferson Airplane (later "Jefferson Starship"), Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, "The Jimi Hendrix Experience", The Supremes, Marvin Gaye, The Monkees, Martha and the Vandellas, The 5th Dimension, Dionne Warwick, Petula Clark, Jackie Wilson, The Temptations, The Chi-Lites (very first 45 - "Have You Seen Her" - still have it), The Mamas & the Papas, Ray Charles, Four Tops, Sonny and Cher, Johnny Rivers, Tom Jones, Neil Diamond, The Doors, The Who, Peter, Paul and Mary.....

On TV, I remember, most: "The Ed Sullivan Show", "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea", Walter Cronkite, "I Spy", and "Peyton Place" (which I didn't like, and thought it was total hooey!).

I remember that down-home, my family didn't have indoor plumbing (and didn't 'til around near-mid-70s); and, seeing signs "Coloreds Around Back".

In fashion, women still wore hats and gloves, and men wore fedoras.

Socially, virtually everybody was religious, and went to church on Sunday (or Temple [Jewish], on Saturday). The whole family would sit-down and eat supper, together. Moms stayed at home, and took care of the house and kids----and, dads went-out to work, and mostly, it seems, worked 'til they dropped dead of a heart-attack. Divorce was almost unheard-of. ALL stores were closed, on Sunday. Kids played outside----and walked to school, by themselves----without fear of being kidknapped. There were no seatbelts, in cars. No malls. Only the rich vacationed in Europe----others vacationed, locally (went to the beach, or neighboring states).....

Except for the discrimination against blacks, the riots, and some other things..... Ahhh, THOSE were the days!!


I do remember most of those things. Sunday "Blue Laws" stores closed. Listening to AM top 40 in mono on transistor radios they had quality songs of all genres. FM stations played "acid rock" the music that parents yelled "turn down that noise". What you called "Black soul" was called "Soul" and still is. Motown had a campaign "The Sound of Young America".


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11 Jul 2017, 8:03 pm

I remember the sound quality of most reproduced music sucked big wind. :eew: no internet back then, was familiar with the library card catalogue, spent a LOT of time in there!



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12 Jul 2017, 4:53 am

...I meant shaved my head in 1980, above.
In 1972, AB, my parents + aunt/uncle rather thought I should go for some training-type berth (They just discussed it among themselves, they didn't say it to me.), rather like my (as it turned out) sh***y, thieving, male cousin 8 years older joined the Air Force, IIRC. He became a FedEx pilot so he must have received some training somewhere but I recall expression of disappoinment that he didn't get quite the training that they thought he was going to get - Ya think the recruiter lied to him/misled him a bit? :mrgreen:


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12 Jul 2017, 5:30 am

I was 14 when the Summer of Love happened, so I should remember it better than you guys but in reality i don't think about it all that often. OTOH I tend to be obsessed about the period 10 years later i.e. the period after Watergate ended and before the Reagan Revolution got going. It was a much more memorable period in my life, having been a late bloomer.

TBH I seriously question the relevance of a lot of what was going on at the time, which is so often idealized in the popular press. A few things stand out as noteworthy e.g. Janis Joplin (could such a person even exist nowadays?) or Woodstock when thousands of people sat in the mud for three days then came back and told the world they had experienced 3 days of heaven on Earth.

The people who seem to have been most profoundly affected by the times are those about 5 years older than I who were in college at the time and faced being drafted at the height of the Vietnam war. I know one guy who went to Stanford at that time and to this day blames all of the world's ills on Capitalism.

BTW I know exactly what @kraftiekortie means when he talks about enforced Kumbaya.

We might all be better off if the counterculture had never happened. Consider how the lifestyle depicted in Easy Rider was championed, then think what most likely happened to anybody who chose to embrace that lifestyle in a serious way, rather than just a pose. Maybe we'd all be better off if we'd just continued to put on a tie every morning and go to work.


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12 Jul 2017, 5:30 am

in terms of honesty, I put military recruiters on the same level as pols and used car salesman.