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04 Jul 2017, 1:17 pm

Why Classic Rock Isn’t What It Used To Be

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Led Zeppelin is classic rock. So are Mötley Crüe and Ozzy Osbourne. But what about U2 or Nirvana? As a child of the 1990s, I never doubted that any of these bands were classic rock, even though it may be shocking for many to hear. And then I heard Green Day’s “American Idiot” on a classic rock station a few weeks ago, and I was shocked.

It was my first time hearing a band I grew up with referred to as “classic rock.” Almost anyone who listens to music over a long enough period of time probably experiences this moment — my colleagues related some of their own, like hearing R.E.M. or Guns N’ Roses on a classic rock station — but it made me wonder, what precisely is classic rock? As it turns out, a massive amount of data collection and analysis, and some algorithms, go into figuring out the answer to that very question.

To see what the current state of classic rock in the United States looks like, I monitored 25 classic rock radio stations1 operating in 30 of the country’s largest metropolitan areas for a week in June.2 The result, after some substantial data cleaning, was a list of 2,230 unique songs by 475 unique artists, with a total record of 37,665 coded song plays across the stations.

I found that classic rock is more than just music from a certain era, and that it changes depending on where you live. What plays in New York — a disproportionate amount of Billy Joel, for example — won’t necessarily fly in San Antonio, which prefers Mötley Crüe. Classic rock is heavily influenced by region, and in ways that are unexpected. For example, Los Angeles is playing Pearl Jam, a band most popular in the 1990s, five times more frequently than the rest of the country. Boston is playing the ’70s-era Allman Brothers six times more frequently.

To put today’s classic rock on a timeline, I pulled the listed release years for songs in the set from the music database SongFacts.com. While I wasn’t able to get complete coverage, I was able to get an accurate release year for 74 percent of the 2,230 songs and 89 percent of the 37,665 song plays.3 The earliest songs in our set date back to the early 1960s;4 the vast majority of those are Beatles songs, with a few exceptions from The Kinks and one from Booker T. and the MGs. A large number of songs appeared from the mid-’60s through the early ’70s. Classic rock peaked — by song plays — in 1973. In fairness, that was a huge year — with the release of Pink Floyd’s “Dark Side of the Moon”(an album of classic rock staples), Led Zeppelin’s “Houses of the Holy” and Elton John’s “Goodbye Yellow Brick Road”5 — but the trend steadily held for the rest of the ’70s and through the mid-’80s.

The 10-year period from 1973 to 1982 accounts for a whopping 57 percent of all song plays in the set. Besides a small trickle of music from 1995 onward — a trickle to which the Green Day song that inspired this article belongs — the last year to make an actual dent in the listings is 1991. That’s largely due to releases by Nirvana, Metallica and U2, the groups that make up the last wave of what is currently considered classic rock.

But clearly it’s not just when a song was released that makes it classic rock. Popularity matters, as does as a band’s longevity, its sound and a bunch of other factors. To find out why some artists are considered classic rock, I spoke to Eric Wellman, the classic rock brand manager for Clear Channel, which owns nine of the 25 radio stations in our data set. He’s also the programming director at New York’s classic rock station, WAXQ. Wellman said release years have nothing to do with what makes a song “classic rock”; the ability of the genre to grow based on consumers’ tastes is one of the things that’s given it such longevity.

In fact, radio stations are using data to make their selection decisions. Wellman said any radio company with the resources conducts regular studies in its major markets to find out what its listeners consider classic rock. And so it’s you, the consumer, who’s helping to define the genre.

“The standard in the industry these days is an online music test or an auditorium music test where you just gather a sample and have them rate songs based on the hooks — the most familiar parts of the song — and you just get back a whole slew of data,” Wellman said. The stations find a cluster of people who like the music that makes up the core of classic rock, and then finds out what else they like. They like R.E.M.? Well, R.E.M. iEvery station has its own character, informed by its audience’s preferences. Classic rock stations do a massive amount of market research to understand who their listeners are and to figure out what songs to play, Wellman said. For example, in the South, listeners like the rock as hard as it comes. According to Wellman, immigration plays a role. “The Hispanic influx across the southern United States vastly changes the rock landscape,” he said. “The common conventional wisdom is that Hispanics who listen to English-language rock like a significantly harder brand of English-language rock. In markets where that is an influence, you’ll see that.” It’s really that simple,” Wellman said

Migration within the 50 states also plays a role. Billy Joel is bigger in New York than anywhere else in the country, but he’s also the most disproportionately played artist in Miami. Why? Think about who might be listening to classic rock stations in Miami: retired New Yorkers! I looked at each city in our set to find the artist its classic rock station played most disproportionately. Essentially, this map shows the local and regional preferences in classic rocks now classic rock. “.

Cities where rock stations have longer legacies, like Detroit and Philadelphia, tend to prefer an older style of classic rock — think J. Geils Band and the Beatles — while cities without that history tend to favor the more contemporary set.

But do radio stations rely at all on the institutional knowledge of their DJs to decide what to play?

Nope. The role of the song-picking DJ is dead. “I know there are some stations and some companies where if you change a song it’s a fireable offense,” Wellman said, cavalierly ruining the magic.6
While all of my data collection and analysis focused on radio stations, which have been around for decades, I decided it was also worth reaching out to digital-native startups and streaming services to see how they’re defining classic rock. The Echo Nest, which is owned by Spotify, uses data to generate song recommendations. A huge part of this work entails placing artists into genres. At its very core, the methodology used by The Echo Nest isn’t all that different from what Clear Channel does: Pick a center of the universe — if we’re talking classic rock, that would be Zeppelin, Floyd, etc. — and then find out what orbits the center. Radio stations figure this out based on interviews and music tests. Glenn McDonald, who’s in charge of developing the genre algorithm at The Echo Nest, goes about it using math.

“We start from a set of artists and use a lot of complicated math to extrapolate the rest of the universe if those artists are the the center of it,” McDonald said. In order to define a genre, first McDonald has to find out the relationships among different artists. To do that, he relies on a mountain of data that The Echo Nest collects from users and elsewhere. “We have listening histories and machines that go read the web,” he said. “We read charts, we read reviews, we read blog posts, we read news articles, Wikipedia entries, pretty much anything we’re legally allowed to read.”

These inputs are then interpreted into a relational map among artists showing how similar each is to another — essentially a map of the musical universe. For example, if each artist was a point in space, McDonald would know how close that point is to every other point. And “genre” is what happens when McDonald sees a cluster of points form.

In addition to the web-crawlers and listening histories, The Echo Nest uses sophisticated music-analysis software to figure out the qualities of different songs. McDonald looks at 13 dimensions when evaluating genre: tempo, energy, loudness, danceability, whether a song is more acoustic or electric, dense or spare, atmospheric or bouncy, and so on. Some genres are defined by one of these dimensions in particular — electronic music with a very finite range of beats per minute, say — and some are painted in broader strokes, like classic rock.

Classic rock, McDonald said, has a much wider range of tempo and rarely is powered by a drum machine. The Echo Nest can detect whether an actual person is behind a drum set based on minor imperfections in tempo, or beats that a drum machine can’t mimic. “The timing will be very human and unmechanical,” a dead giveaway, he said.

But McDonald agrees with Clear Channel’s Wellman: The classic rock genre is always changing, and that’s one of the things that makes it so hard to define.

So what’s next for Classic Rock? Should I steel myself for One Direction’s eventual air time on the WAXQ of tomorrow?

It’s going to come down to economics, Wellman said. As baby boomers and Gen X-ers age out of the key advertising demographic over the next five to 10 years, one of two things will happen. Either advertisers will chase them, or classic rock will start to skew younger.


I remember being schocked when the first time I heard The Cars on a Classic Rock station. The Cars were New Wave which was rebelling against the 70's post hippie hard rock. I still feel a bit shocked and annoyed when a new wave or Alternative rock act is played on a classic rock statin and that 80's synthpop is regularly played on oldies station. i was totally taken aback late one night when "White Horse" by Laid Back was played on the Classic Hits station. That song is New Wave cult song


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05 Jul 2017, 12:12 am

I think classic rock at least to this point doesn't include the 80's yet. Too new.


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05 Jul 2017, 4:24 pm

thewrll wrote:
I think classic rock at least to this point doesn't include the 80's yet. Too new.


I think it depends on what exactly from the 80s is being discussed. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers is, Black Flag isn't. (Fun fact: both formed in 1976).

I'd also argue plenty of 90s grunge rock and alternative rock better qualifies as classic rock compared to any punk rock, new wave, NWOBHM, post-punk, etc stuff from the 70s or 80s, even in spite of those acts often drawing on this side of rock for inspiration since they also drew on bands who are indisputably in the canon of classic rock.


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05 Jul 2017, 4:27 pm

thewrll wrote:
I think classic rock at least to this point doesn't include the 80's yet. Too new.


The Classic Rock station here in New York regularly plays "New Wave" acts such as Simple Minds and Tears for Fears as well and most hair metal acts.


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05 Jul 2017, 8:35 pm

Classic rock isn't a genre, at least not in the traditional sense. It's a vague term for popular rock songs from prior decades, up until about that 80s in most cases. And I agree, it very much varies depending on where you live.


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06 Jul 2017, 4:04 pm

Classic Rock is a radio term that roughly corresponds to hard rock from the mid 60s to the late 80s. Like everyone's said, it's a very arbitrary label. The key styles that get thrown in seem to be psychedelic rock bands from the late 60s (The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Grateful Dead, etc.), British Invasion bands of the mid 60s (The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, etc.), pre-metal hard rock bands of the early 70s (Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Foghat, Alice Cooper, Mountain, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc.), and some art and prog rock bands (Pink Floyd, King Crimson, David Bowie, The Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa). To a lesser extent it's applied to bands that continued that slightly heavy, well-produced, mainstream rock music, especially with genres like 80s glam metal and new wave. I've even seen it applied to later post-grunge bands.

The weird part is, there are huge rock movements that were happening at the same time as all this, that don't get categorized as "classic rock." For one thing, the psychedelic garage rock bands that actually started psychedelia, like The 13th Floor Elevators, Love, and ? & The Mysterians, almost NEVER get called classic rock. Likewise, the really experimental bands of the late 60s and early 70s, like Can and Faust, are also usually omitted. Artists from the mid 50s to early 60s, who actually pioneered rock music, are almost never called classic rock (Elvis, Little Richard, Fats Domino, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, etc.) Glam Metal gets to be classic rock, but hardcore punk doesn't even though it started earlier (glam metal's prime being 1984 to 1990, while hardcore's first wave was roughly 1979 to 1983). Thrash Metal and Extreme Metal are also ignored. 80s alternative/indie music is also totally overlooked.

Punk Rock is where it gets really tricky. It seems like if a punk band is digestible enough, like The Clash, Ramones, or Sex Pistols, then they may very well get the classic rock label. But if a punk band is too challenging, like Crass or Richard Hell, then they aren't classic rock.



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11 Jul 2017, 5:25 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Classic rock isn't a genre, at least not in the traditional sense. It's a vague term for popular rock songs from prior decades, up until about that 80s in most cases. And I agree, it very much varies depending on where you live.


True. In 2040 I would consider any rock song from the 2000's to be classic rock. To me classic rock is a year thing and not a genre.


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