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19 Jul 2017, 7:52 am

Backed by several psychological studies, the alt-right actually usually falls left-of-center on the political spectrum. This is reinforced by concepts such as playing the Devil's advocate and postmodernism. Trump's intelligence should most certainly not be underestimated considering that anonymous were the ones who worked tooth-and-nail to get him elected. The biggest problem with the liberal elite is that, while educated, they suffer from tunnel vision and underestimate the intelligence of those they project themselves on. Probably the biggest problem with socialism is that it has nationalistic roots, but lacks the protectionism to back that nationalism, causing them to collapse socially into a state of apathy. This is evidenced in European countries, specifically Scandinavian countries, where rates of happiness are dropping at exponential rates with the alarming rise in rates of immigration. In order for a globalist society to be effective in terms of sustainable development, it falls on the shoulders of the people to think as socialists would under the Neoliberal system. In order for individuals to thrive in a truly multicultural society, one must accept and endure the hardships associated with it, promoting healthy social boundaries for themselves to compensate for an open borders policy. Socialism ultimately gives way to globalism by its very nature and it is therefore an ill-advised practice due to the fact that it is a natural precursor to the enemy we would call a one world government. If globalism is inevitable, then there must absolutely be an emphasis on personal and individual rights.



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19 Jul 2017, 8:16 am

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Backed by several psychological studies, the alt-right actually usually falls left-of-center on the political spectrum. This is reinforced by concepts such as playing the Devil's advocate and postmodernism. Trump's intelligence should most certainly not be underestimated considering that anonymous were the ones who worked tooth-and-nail to get him elected. The biggest problem with the liberal elite is that, while educated, they suffer from tunnel vision and underestimate the intelligence of those they project themselves on. Probably the biggest problem with socialism is that it has nationalistic roots, but lacks the protectionism to back that nationalism, causing them to collapse socially into a state of apathy. This is evidenced in European countries, specifically Scandinavian countries, where rates of happiness are dropping at exponential rates with the alarming rise in rates of immigration. In order for a globalist society to be effective in terms of sustainable development, it falls on the shoulders of the people to think as socialists would under the Neoliberal system. In order for individuals to thrive in a truly multicultural society, one must accept and endure the hardships associated with it, promoting healthy social boundaries for themselves to compensate for an open borders policy. Socialism ultimately gives way to globalism by its very nature and it is therefore an ill-advised practice due to the fact that it is a natural precursor to the enemy we would call a one world government. If globalism is inevitable, then there must absolutely be an emphasis on personal and individual rights.


Cite the 'several psychological studies', and preferably some sources that back your claim that socialism leads to globalism. If we're talking about the immigrant aspect of 'globalism', immigration is as old as human society itself and it will always be here (hint, hint: Rome at it's height only had ~50% Roman citizens). As for socialism, it's a philosophy about how the means of production and goods are distributed inside a nation-state, it makes no claims about international politics, which is where globalism resides.



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19 Jul 2017, 9:59 am

Boy howdy! There is so much wrong here!

FutureIsAS wrote:
Backed by several psychological studies, the alt-right actually usually falls left-of-center on the political spectrum.


What in tarnation are you talking about?

Please link me to these psychological studies.

How can the alt-right be left-of-center? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence mate.

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This is reinforced by concepts such as playing the Devil's advocate and postmodernism.


Wat?

Playing the Devil's advocate is not a product of postmodernism. This is just something that people from all political groups do.

Postmodernism? Are you talking about the Cult of KeK? The Cult of Kek is a joke.

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Trump's intelligence should most certainly not be underestimated considering that anonymous were the ones who worked tooth-and-nail to get him elected.


Anonymous? Are you talking about the blokes who wear Guy Fawkes masks?

Does that even exist anymore? Didn't that whole thing fade into nonexistence around 2013?

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The biggest problem with the liberal elite is that, while educated, they suffer from tunnel vision and underestimate the intelligence of those they project themselves on.


Wrong.

Why would an elite project intelligence onto other people? That's the exact opposite of what elitists do.
You seem to be implying that the masses are stupid. That's precisely what elitism is.

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Probably the biggest problem with socialism is that it has nationalistic roots, but lacks the protectionism to back that nationalism, causing them to collapse socially into a state of apathy.


Socialism does not have nationalistic roots. Socialism has been pro-internationalist for a long time now.

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This is evidenced in European countries, specifically Scandinavian countries, where rates of happiness are dropping at exponential rates with the alarming rise in rates of immigration.


Scandinavia is unhappy? They have a very high standard of living.

Another Thing: Scandinavian socialists are partly responsible for all of that immigration. Scandinavia isn't fully socialist just yet. There are plenty of Scandinavian businessmen who love immigration since immigrants are potential employees.

Right-wingers constantly ignore this fact. Immigration is good for big business. That's why so many businessmen are for it.

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In order for a globalist society to be effective in terms of sustainable development, it falls on the shoulders of the people to think as socialists would under the Neoliberal system. In order for individuals to thrive in a truly multicultural society, one must accept and endure the hardships associated with it, promoting healthy social boundaries for themselves to compensate for an open borders policy. Socialism ultimately gives way to globalism by its very nature and it is therefore an ill-advised practice due to the fact that it is a natural precursor to the enemy we would call a one world government.


One world government isn't necessarily bad.

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If globalism is inevitable, then there must absolutely be an emphasis on personal and individual rights


I don't even know what this means. This sounds like "libertarian" drivel.

We certainly need to keep corporate corruption out of politics. Do corporations have a "right" to corrupt our government? The "individual rights" crowd needs to address this issue.


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19 Jul 2017, 11:15 am

From Wikipedia:

"Any of a group of later political philosophies such democratic socialism and social democracy which do not envisage the need for full state ownership of the means of production nor transition to full communism, and which are typically based on principles of community decision making, social equality and the avoidance of economic and social exclusion, with economic policy giving first preference to community goals over individual ones".

That has immigration written all over it. Admittedly, I misspoke earlier in that I should have said "blogs". However, in such socialist societies, blogs would be given the same respect as studies due to the nature of Social Darwinism and community decision making in general. Having said that, I shouldn't have to link to any "actual" studies as we are seeing the effects of political polarization every day around the world. Social sciences in general are largely about how humans interact with one another, so there is a lot of gray area when it comes to the concept of community decision making in general. What I DO have (and what is more applicable to this particular situation) is a blog with a psychological study contained within it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/li ... -alone#_=_

It is a scientific fact that perception does not match reality. Knowing that, it is self-evident that postmodernism is, by it's very nature, a product of extrovert culture, which ironically is what leads to social exclusion in the first place. I strongly support the notion that individualism should be considered a basic human right.

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I never said that playing the Devil's advocate was a product of postmodernism. Playing the Devil's advocate is actually much more closely related to "the Cult of Kek" (read trolling). Postmodernism much more closely relates to the scientific fact that an individual's perception does not necessarily match with reality.

No, that isn't what I'm referring to. That is only a fragment of what I'm referring to. 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica are other facets of the same machine. Either way, "Who's who" is besides the point (as is a trademark of Anonymous). The point is that internet culture in general played a large role in getting Trump elected.

You clearly misread what I said. I stated that the educated liberal elite (intelligent or not) project themselves on the masses (intelligent or not). The liberal elite are the ones I'm accusing of having tunnel vision. What they don't realize is that their agenda will ultimately be their own undoing once the masses wise up to their game. They thrive on narcissistic supply just as many of the masses do. (note that saying that does not mean I'm implying the masses are stupid. I did say that Trump's intelligence should not be underestimated, did I not?)

Keywords: "roots" and "for a long time". Philosophically, it is the same. The problem is that it doesn't support itself due to human nature and it eventually dissolves into a totalitarian government.

They have a very high standard of living, true, but that does not necessarily equate to happiness. With nothing to unite them, they can become lonely and miserable quite easily. Hence the aforementioned decline into globalism.

Yes it is. It is a threat to democracy. In terms of globalism, a one world government is contrasted to the ideology of a cosmopolitan democracy. A one world government is literally defined as the entire planet being run by a dictator.

I do not disagree that corporate corruption needs to be managed, but this needs to be done in a tactful manner. This is an interesting article I came across a while ago that tries to dissect this complicated matter:

http://www.ceylontoday.lk/print20170401 ... p?id=19559



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19 Jul 2017, 11:34 am

To a certain extent, Capitalism is human nature---but to precisely equate the two is grossly simplistic.



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19 Jul 2017, 5:18 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
"Capitalism is just human nature! You can't fight human nature!"


It's a case of conflating words.

What people generally mean is that "Trading/Exchanging" is a part of human nature.
But then they substitute the word "Capitalism" hoping to transfer the old inference to the new word.
But trading can take many forms under many different kinds of governments and economies.
Trading is not the same thing as Capitalism.



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22 Jul 2017, 12:19 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
One world government isn't necessarily bad.


Yes, why is the assumption always made that it would be?

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
I don't even know what this means. This sounds like "libertarian" drivel.


Hey, someone else here who hates 'libertarians'! I am so sick and tired of hearing these people constantly whine about their supposed 'inalienable rights', and how 'The Government' is apparently constantly conspiring to take them away. These nutty people actually believe that paying tax is 'theft'. :roll: