Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way.

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Jesus is the way and that way is the Gnostic Christian way. Not Christianity’s way.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have no understanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjust gain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is at hand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same time frame. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). In that day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Luke and Mark quotes are referring to the following.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For an extended view of that from my favorite philosopher. ----



You will note that the bible teaches Jesus’ way and Gnostic Christianity follows that good way, yet the church never teaches Jesus’ true way.

Why is Christianity ignoring and even hiding the only worthy Jesus and the teachings of his way?

Regards
DL

Hmm. As an atheist, I can only provide an outsider's view on your religion.
But it seems to me, that Jesus was quite the revolutionary, and a preacher of what today, someone like me might consider a doomsday cult, in a lot of ways.
Judgement day is at hand, and so on.
Giving away all possessions.
And doesn't he at some point say: if you love your parents, you can not be my follower.

So, to me that looks like he tried to create a brutal break between the culture he was living in, and the culture he was preaching.
But whatever he was preaching needed not be sustainable, since judgement day was at hand.

For a church, a culture, that creates tremenduous problems.
We can't just all give our possessions away, all the time. That's no way to run a country/culture/ even just a family. We'd be invaded by neighbouring countries faster than we could convert them, which would lead to the end of our culture and religion quickly.
A judgement day around the corner sounds like a good threat to pressure people into obedience, but it doesn't get people to plant crops. So, the time frame of "at hand" needs to be loosened, otherwise your society starves and goes under, too.

So, maybe there were some groups that gave away everything, and expected the end of the world around next tuesday.
But this is not a way to keep a society going for millennia, so, ... Those groups, as entities, just didn't make it
They sat in the desert and waited for the rapture and died of dehydration.

The church was a body built in a way so it could survive and keep surviving.
It split and got fractioned, but those splinter-churches are again churches that are all built to last- or they may go under quickly.

It's not easy to build a social structure that survives this long. - but it sounds to me, jesus wasn't really planning on 60 generations anyway, rather than judgement day next week.

Sorry for my blasphemy, but if you subtract "belief" and "truth", and treat christianity rather as a cogent social structure, it appears like there's some simple explanations for some things.

I hit a pretty pensive spell tonight, exhaustingly so. The good news - I think something beautiful came of it.

I think - regardless of the bum-raping and poop flinging that you might get sick of looking at every time you step out your front door (or for those unlucky enough - in your own house as well, thank fate I'm not in that number), go to the store, drive to work, all the sights and sounds of bonobo screeching by things you're amazed can speak a human language let alone manage to at least pretend holding enough organized thoughts together to be able to hold a job and at least get a C- as something trying to be civilized - the boiler plate that you can't scrape away, that undergirds all of this absurdity, is that the love of God isn't just in every fiber and atom of your being but quite literally is every fiber and atom of your being.

That remains true regardless of how bad the politics, regardless of how awful the chimp-screeching coming out of parliament, capital hill, corporatist media, how big a doody they make or how bad it smells.

The personality of Jesus is somewhat very molded after Socrates and also Zoroaster, somewhat it's the best compass to be found, as it's combining much of older thoughtstructures, but also taken over and/or as construct of continued 'organised religion' of blody rituals of scapegoat sacrifice in order to maintain organised cohesion.
(contemporainly a tv-director spoke about selling the 'available human brain time')

I wondered, the christian martyrs in Rome was that a publicity move, well it seems overexaggerated for publicity-purposes, that's found by others too (+ that's 1 old methods of sjw-fishing with sadistic graphicking)
martyrs, oh the old ways of old and cults
y know throwing blood on a pole in expectation to get what you want
two headed things, two headed gods, Janus, i remember it was being said to be a later old god before the change for monotheism, it would've been an etruscan deity, etcetera but this wikipage is a bigger salad than mine, so idk that



on topic - see it's optic hardship to imagine a way being represented by a dead end street (cross)

or as a role-model for sacrificing slash being sacrificed while saying it's the end of that, yeah when you role the time up backward maybe, bits on sticks
this one's much better though


mindcontrol & manipulation wasn't invented yesterday

What, you mean to tell me it takes more than blind obedience to an Earthly authority to know God??

Nah man, I've left more than one church before I got thrown out over questioning the Scriptures...

Yes, I'm being sarcastic...

I don't even mind (too much) that there is an entire body of Scripture that the RCC found counterproductive to maintaining the Empire in the face of collapse, or that the Protestant branch of the family can't be bothered to consider it for themselves.

I'd be happy if they'd just stop cherry-picking the canonical Scriptures verse-by-verse...

I do have to argue one thing (@OP) - 'gnosis' is the idea that you can essentially be saved by a combination of knowledge and its effects on one's mental, spiritual, and physiological evolution. I don't just mean liberation from material or folk folly but quite literally the idea that Buddha gave pause to, that you could live right enough to either not have to touch ground here again after death or that you might even be able to have the initiate's funeral in which, after you've learned to master matter with your mind, you can create a false dead-body, those who love you can have a funeral, and you can essentially continue along you're path toward nirvana/paranirvana without even facing death.

Lavey can call CoS satanism but it's really atheism that likes the symbolism and ritual. It would be a similar case for one to state adamantly that they're a gnostic and at the same time insist that they're a reductive materialist.