Life of women who do not know they are autistic

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21 Jul 2017, 1:03 am

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This article could also be describing anxiety.

I agree. There was hardly anything about Sophie that seemed autistic to me.


I think that the launching into monologue about her special interest at an interview was a major sign. Also the sensory issues she has.



I didn't see it as a special interest, more like talking about her college because the interviewer asked her a question and she answered.


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21 Jul 2017, 1:12 am

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21 Jul 2017, 2:44 am

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Females are underdiagnosed with AS/ASD because they are females.
Males are underdiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder because they are male.

What becomes of the undiagnosed females with AS/ASD I don't know, though I suspect the undiagnosed males with BPD end up dead or in prison.


That's a gloomy prospect 8O


Indeed it is. Which is why the mental health field needs to work on minimizing it's sex bias. Of course it also needs to work on mastering scientific principals.


I've just been reading a study of Repetitive behaviours, insistence on sameness and anxiety in ASD children. The study participants were 110 males and 10 females :roll:


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21 Jul 2017, 3:12 am

League_Girl wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
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League_Girl wrote:
This article could also be describing anxiety.

I agree. There was hardly anything about Sophie that seemed autistic to me.


I think that the launching into monologue about her special interest at an interview was a major sign. Also the sensory issues she has.



I didn't see it as a special interest, more like talking about her college because the interviewer asked her a question and she answered.


Yes that's what Sophie thought too.

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the interviewer asks her instead about her time at university. Relieved, she happily launches into an explanation of her masters thesis on meteorological modelling, but he cuts her off abruptly, clearly irritated.


This description is subtle. She launches into her explanation. This denotes ott enthusiasm. And she's obviously gone on too long about it because the interviewer gets irritated and has to cut her off.

The author has been clever her describing it from Sophie's perspective rather than saying "she started monolouging at him". The author shows that she thought she was just answering the question and Sophie is now confused about why she's irritated the interviewer.



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21 Jul 2017, 4:02 am

hurtloam wrote:
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This article could also be describing anxiety.

I agree. There was hardly anything about Sophie that seemed autistic to me.


I think that the launching into monologue about her special interest at an interview was a major sign. Also the sensory issues she has.


I would add the intensity of the anxiety, going into a shutdown and the poor motor coordination.


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21 Jul 2017, 4:18 am

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I would add the intensity of the anxiety, going into a shutdown and the poor motor coordination.

But there's nothing in the description that clearly suggests that she shutdown. As far as I could tell, she just blacked out. There's nothing about autism that necessarily causes more intense anxiety. And nothing suggested poor motor coordination. Lots of people lose their balance when buses suddenly brake, and distress can make people more clumsy than usual.



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21 Jul 2017, 5:00 am

I'm going to assume that if the woman the article is about is actually known to be formally diagnosed, then anything seemingly inaccurate which the writer of the article mentions about her effects of autism may just be the writer's misapprehensions.

The overall point of the article is being overlooked and missed, here.

Assuming this Sophie did indeed end up being diagnosed with ASD, lets focus on the actual point of the article, which is, as we know already to be true, the fact that adult females of the "missed generations" have lived with autism without knowing that's what their range of traits and challenges actually are because of.

I relate to that larger message because I was one of them, not that I've ever fallen off a bus. The bigger picture is, lots of women are suffering without know what is at the bottom of all their various issues. Lets not pick apart the story the writer chose to tell, as the writer is clearly not focusing on probably the most salient issues of the experience of this woman.



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21 Jul 2017, 5:12 am

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The overall point of the article is being overlooked and missed, here.

Assuming this Sophie did indeed end up being diagnosed with ASD, lets focus on the actual point of the article,

Actually we are all free to focus on whatever aspect of the article we choose, and no such focus implies that anyone overlooked the main point.



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21 Jul 2017, 5:28 am

Sure, you're free to focus on whatever, but in my opinion you are nitpicking a detail that derails the main point of the article. And I'm free to point that out, and how derailing it really is.

The main issue of the underdiagnosis of females who suffer long years of not having a handle on why they experience issues, is such a crucially important one that it really appalls me that you are throwing that baby out with the bathwater over your own cynicism of the subject-person's autism based on simply what a probably not that informed writer chose to write about.

You are derailing. It's a free country and board and you can do that but at what cost to the main issue?

I have no more time for you. You're devaluing a really, really important topic. Shame on you. I'm done here.



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21 Jul 2017, 5:59 am

I could me misreading things here but I think it's a real shame that posters have apparently fallen out over opinions about an article that was written to try and highlight issues suffered by undiagnosed women on the spectrum.


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21 Jul 2017, 7:48 am

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I could me misreading things here but I think it's a real shame that posters have apparently fallen out over opinions about an article that was written to try and highlight issues suffered by undiagnosed women on the spectrum.


I think the problem was we couldn't actually relate to the protagonist.



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21 Jul 2017, 8:05 am

hurtloam wrote:
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I could me misreading things here but I think it's a real shame that posters have apparently fallen out over opinions about an article that was written to try and highlight issues suffered by undiagnosed women on the spectrum.


I think the problem was we couldn't actually relate to the protagonist.


I get that, but the point of the article not just the quoted part was to highlight that some woman on the spectrum show signs that are less obvious - clearly :roll: .


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21 Jul 2017, 8:22 am

What would you add to the story to make it more relateable to you?


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21 Jul 2017, 8:41 am

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I would add the intensity of the anxiety, going into a shutdown and the poor motor coordination.

But there's nothing in the description that clearly suggests that she shutdown. As far as I could tell, she just blacked out. There's nothing about autism that necessarily causes more intense anxiety. And nothing suggested poor motor coordination. Lots of people lose their balance when buses suddenly brake, and distress can make people more clumsy than usual.


Well yes an alternate explanation can plausably be given for a person whose behavoirs completly mimick the DSM 5. If you have the inclination, time,money power, and influence and are a professional who thinks autism is way overdiagnosed you could undiagnose or change the diagnosis for the vast majority of diagnosed autistics plausibly.

Sophie is a fictional charactor described as autistic by her creator. Her fictional traits were meant to be caused by autism because the charactor is meant to be used to describe some things that resemble what non fictional autistic adult women experience. So her tripping was likely meant to be autism related moter co orderination issue and her collapsing on the sidewalk was meant to be understood as some sort of autistic shutdown. That the behavoirs and thoughts and smell sensitivity described when combined are autism caused is very plausible explanation.


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21 Jul 2017, 8:52 am

Sorry Sophie, no diagnosis for you. Let me get you some Alprazolam for your anxiety.....


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21 Jul 2017, 8:56 am

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Sorry Sophie, no diagnosis for you. Let me get you some Alprazolam for your anxiety.....


I can't tell if your empathising or being sarcastic


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