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16 Aug 2017, 8:08 pm

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People are loyal to their party over the nation. They refuse to work with the other party cause that would be disloyal to the party. They refuse to speak out against their party's polices they disagree with cause they fear the party will throw them out. It's terrible. It's a us vs them mentality.


Party could be replaced by any of several other groups,

"People are loyal to their family/clan/tribe over the nation. They refuse to work with the other family/clan/tribe cause that would be disloyal to their family/clan/tribe. They refuse to speak out against their family/clan/tribe's polices they disagree with cause they fear the family/clan/tribe will throw them out. It's terrible. It's a us vs them mentality."

It appears to be a fundamental human behavior pattern.


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16 Aug 2017, 8:37 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
sly279 wrote:
People are loyal to their party over the nation. They refuse to work with the other party cause that would be disloyal to the party. They refuse to speak out against their party's polices they disagree with cause they fear the party will throw them out. It's terrible. It's a us vs them mentality.


Party could be replaced by any of several other groups,

"People are loyal to their family/clan/tribe over the nation. They refuse to work with the other family/clan/tribe cause that would be disloyal to their family/clan/tribe. They refuse to speak out against their family/clan/tribe's polices they disagree with cause they fear the family/clan/tribe will throw them out. It's terrible. It's a us vs them mentality."

It appears to be a fundamental human behavior pattern.


Loyalty to family and love ones isn't the same as blind loyalty to a part run by the rich who's policies you don't entirely agree with and who work against your best interest.
And actually party loyalty leads people to disown their family . So party loyalty seems to trump loved ones



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18 Aug 2017, 6:13 am

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The Cat Ghost I disagree with a lot that you wrote but I don't have time to reply, have to get house ready for inspection on Tuesday.

I do agre about the party thing. People are loyal to their party over the nation. They refuse to work with the other party cause that would be disloyal to the party. They refuse to speak out against their party's polices they disagree with cause they fear the party will throw them out. It's terrible. It's a us vs them mentality.


That's totally fair if you don't agree with what I wrote. If you have time after your inspection I would love to hear what you have to say about it. I thought I was being fairly balanced in my assessment, but I'm always open to criticism.

Also, yeah, tribalism is the worst.



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16 Sep 2017, 7:05 am

...Your first three paragraphs don't really make sense :x , even presuming that " college vote " was a mis-post of " electoral college. ".
Obama won the Electoral College vote twice, Trump has won once to date.
However, Obama won the Popular Vote both times as well. Trump lost that vote, by more than 2, 750, 000 votes.
Addirionally, Trump, in 2012, made a tweet (Apparently at a moment when it looked like Obama would win the EC but lose the PV.) that arguably called for a violent uprising against Obama, and.definitely.complained in tweet about the EC system - then, after his EC victtory in 2016, came out in favor of the EC.







te="The_Blonde_Alien"]Even after the 2016 elections, the media can't help but desperately search for negative things about Donald Trump.

Why didn't the same thing happened to Obama after winning two elections straight?

Why are people and the media complaining about the college vote system now and not when Barrack Obama won two times? I mean, isn't that enough to make









eligiously brand Trump as some kind of monster when, really, all I see is a businessman financially managing the government. A good example would be when he banned transgender people from the military, mainly because the U.S. military would have to spend on their gender surgeries and such. This would essentially cut costs and make sure that 100% of the money being spent on said military would go on kicking I.S.I.S.'s @$$.

Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/2 ... nes-240990

All of this makes me think that maybe there is some kind of effort to create this "new world order" that conspiracy theorists have been raging about for years now.

Let's face it, Trump won. There's nothing we can do about it. Doing something about it would not only be immature , but also could make you a terrorist if taken to the extremes. Speaking of which, killing him won't make things better, I don't believe in killing presidents, a terrorist might, but not an american civilian such a I.

Can't we wait 4 years util we can vote him out of the presidency? I mean, we still have the power to take him out peacefully via the elections.

Why can't the media let go of Trump? If they can let go of Barrack Obama then surely they can do the same with Trump.

Surely there has to be a bigger agenda being enforced by the media here...

Am I the only one who thinks the same about this?[/quote]


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16 Sep 2017, 8:00 am

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it seems to me that the people who like him hate what they fear themselves becoming when they see people who hate him.


Huh?

Can you walk me through what you are trying to say here?



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17 Sep 2017, 5:26 am

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auntblabby wrote:
it seems to me that the people who like him hate what they fear themselves becoming when they see people who hate him.


Huh? Can you walk me through what you are trying to say here?

authoritarians fear weakness. they see any signs of compassion, as weakness.



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17 Sep 2017, 8:46 am

Got it. Interesting take.



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17 Sep 2017, 1:28 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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Why can't the media let go of Trump?

1. Releases the energy of their repressed outrage.
2. They realized it gets clicks and views and sales which pay the light bill and their salaries.

The_Blonde_Alien wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the same about this?

Unknown.
If the question were, "Am I the only one who thinks about this?"
Apparently not. :D


Why do you think I no longer watch any of the U.S. news networks?

It's an awfully sad state of affairs when one has to watch the BBC, NHK, and Deutsche Welle to find out what gives in the USA without the vitriol and extreme bias that gets presented as news.



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17 Sep 2017, 1:58 pm

The media needs to pay attention to Trump because he is literally putting human lives in danger.


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18 Sep 2017, 12:23 pm

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Our megacorps have been feeding China. That's why it's so powerful.

See? Capitalism is to blame, again.

Man, I get tired of being right all the time.

tfw you want to help the poor, so you become anti-capitalist, but then you find out that capitalism feeds the poor, but you're anti-capitalist now, so you decide the poor deserve to starve, so you blame capitalism for not letting poor people starve, giving you a reason to hate capitalism.