My meeting with Trump: A damaged, pathetic personality

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funeralxempire
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17 Aug 2017, 9:37 pm

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I speak of others.

So are you saying truth should be presented as sounding like derangement, hyperbole, paranoia, sensationalism, vengeance and butthurt?


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Whether or not it should, how exactly should one portray the abnormal? Portraying it as normal wouldn't be right, but portraying it as abnormal might come off as unsettled from people in a field who are normally expected to remain settled.


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18 Aug 2017, 9:01 am

funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I speak of others.

So are you saying truth should be presented as sounding like derangement, hyperbole, paranoia, sensationalism, vengeance and butthurt?


#stinkydog


Whether or not it should, how exactly should one portray the abnormal? Portraying it as normal wouldn't be right, but portraying it as abnormal might come off as unsettled from people in a field who are normally expected to remain settled.


In a far less overall overkill sensationalist fashion. It makes the left look more abnormal than Trump.



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18 Aug 2017, 10:23 am

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My meeting with Donald Trump: A damaged, pathetic personality — whose obvious impairment has only gotten worse

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/12/my-meet ... ten-worse/


In 1994, I visited the home of Donald Trump. He was a Democrat then, of sorts, and I was the party’s nominee for governor of Connecticut. He’d taken an interest in our state owing to his keen desire to lodge a casino in Bridgeport, an idea I found economically and morally dubious. I had scant hope of enlisting him, but made the trip anyway, thinking that if I convinced him I might win, he’d be less apt to bankroll my opponent.

I arrived at Trump Tower in early evening, accompanied by my finance chair and an old friend and colleague. Stepping off the elevator into his apartment, we were met by a display of sterile, vulgar ostentation: all gold, silver, brass, marble; nothing soft, welcoming or warm. Trump soon appeared and we began to converse, but not really. In campaigns, we candidates do most of the talking; because we like to, and because people ask us lots of questions. Not this time. Not by a long shot




Excuse me but I smell a rat somewhere. Your account claims you're 32 and yet you were a candidate in 1994 when you were 11?

If Trump is not all he seems, neither are you!

Even quoting from the article, you speak as if you yourself were there, rather than simply providing the link and letting members draw their own conclusions?


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18 Aug 2017, 1:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
I think when the truth is delivered with lage doeses of constant vitrol hyperbole and sensationalism, it gets buried in all that and ends up looking like nonsense and kookery from sore loosers, to those who might otherwise be reached and won over by a more dignified practical approach.

That Trump is using hate discourse against scapegoats and is spreading hate and intolerance is not hyperbole!
That Trump is a idiot is most likely not a hyperbole!
That Trump don't care about true and is spreading lies constantly, more than any politicians I ever seen, is not hyperbole!
That Trump or his entourage have contact with russians is most likely not hyperbole; as much as you say that there "is no proof" his son in law did meet a russian agent in very suspicious circumstance.
That hate and intolerance has been spreading in a scary way those two last years is not hyperbole!
That Trump supporters are united in a cult like way is not hyperbole!
That Trump is corrupt is not hyperbole!

EzraS wrote:
"Perception is everything". And truth is often subjective. There are productive measures to convince people and win them over. And there are counterproductive measures that push people away.

If the right of this century is anything to go by lies are convincing more easily that true. It certainly worked against Hillary Clinton!


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18 Aug 2017, 1:37 pm

I believe Sanchez was quoting someone else, not himself.

I agree: one should establish, unequivocally, that one is quoting somebody else, and not himself.



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18 Aug 2017, 1:45 pm

rick sanchez wrote:
My meeting with Donald Trump: A damaged, pathetic personality — whose obvious impairment has only gotten worse

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/12/my-meet ... ten-worse/


In 1994, I visited the home of Donald Trump. He was a Democrat then, of sorts, and I was the party’s nominee for governor of Connecticut. He’d taken an interest in our state owing to his keen desire to lodge a casino in Bridgeport, an idea I found economically and morally dubious. I had scant hope of enlisting him, but made the trip anyway, thinking that if I convinced him I might win, he’d be less apt to bankroll my opponent.

I arrived at Trump Tower in early evening, accompanied by my finance chair and an old friend and colleague. Stepping off the elevator into his apartment, we were met by a display of sterile, vulgar ostentation: all gold, silver, brass, marble; nothing soft, welcoming or warm. Trump soon appeared and we began to converse, but not really. In campaigns, we candidates do most of the talking; because we like to, and because people ask us lots of questions. Not this time. Not by a long shot.

Trump talked very rapidly and virtually nonstop for nearly an hour; not of my campaign or even of politics, but only of himself, and almost always in the third person. He’d given himself a nickname: “the Trumpster,” as in “everybody wants to know what the Trumpster’s gonna do,” a claim he made more than once.

He mostly told stories. Some were about his business deals; others about trips he’d taken or things he owned. All were unrelated to the alleged point of our meeting, and to one another. That he seldom even attempted segues made each tale seem more disconnected from reality than the last. It was funny at first, then pathetic, and finally deeply unsettling.

On the drive home, we all burst out laughing, then grew quiet. What the hell just happened? My first theory, that Trump was high on cocaine, didn’t feel quite right, but he was clearly emotionally impaired: in constant need of approbation; lacking impulse control, self-awareness or awareness of others. We’d heard tales of his monumental vanity, but were still shocked by the sad spectacle of him.


The only surprise would have been if he'd turned out to be a charming, articulate personality. He sounds like a sociopath to me.


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