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In his address to the press yesterday, President Trump claimed the Alt-Left where as guilty as the Alt-Right for the violence last weekend in Charlottesville.
I didn't know there was an Alt-Left; has anyone heard of this before, or did Trump just make up a new thing?

Well, there is an alternative to the "leftism" of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. In that sense, there is an "alt-left".

Trump is wrong when he says that the alt-left is just as bad as the alt-right though.

Trump:
"What about the 'alt-left' that came charging them? Excuse me. What about the alt-left that came charging at the -- as you say, the alt-right? Do they have any semblance of guilt? ... Let me ask you this. What about the fact they came charging -- that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do."
"I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you have -- you had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent, and nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group -- you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent."
"Well, I do think there's blame -- yes, I think there's blame on both sides. You look at -- you look at both sides. I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don't have any doubt about it either. ... But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ... You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
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He seems to be giving legitimacy to racist views by putting them at the same level as "alt-left."

There is no Alt Left. It's what the Alt Right and their apologists call anyone countering their side, so as to claim there's some sort of moral equivalency.

Actually it's supposed to be Ctrl-Left. As in the control left.

Alt right apologists meaning everyone else on the right.

There are extremist on the left. And they exude self-righteousness rather than actual morality.

Trump is saying that anybody who opposes National Socialism on American soil is every bit to blame is the National Socialists.

Why is this really so f*****g hard for some people to understand?

One cannot be a National Socialist and a patriotic American at the same time. We already had a war over that.

Even most of the Republican party is turning on Trump over this, and rightfully so. The only people who are still on Trump's side over this are the ones who want National Socialism to have a legitimate face in the United States.

This is no longer about left vs right anymore. And to the people here who still support Trump - Nation Socialists gassed the autistics just as quickly as they gassed everybody else they desired to. Trump is a National Socialist. He is not a Republican. He never was a true conservative Republican.

Do you have a solitary shred of evidence that Trump is a National Socialist?

I believe he's actually he's referring to violent acts committed by those who oppose. Because that just turns the whole thing into an even uglier mess. And it allows National Socialists to further play the victim card.

Can you give me any solid reasons why he would try to legitimize National Socialism in the USA if he were not a true believer of that ideology?

Anybody who refuses to call out the evils of Nazi ideology in his position of power is clearly a supporter of National Socialism. The neo Nazis were preaching about genocide and encouraging it. You can't say it was a lone wolf in a car when an entire Nazi movement celebrated the heinous bloodshed and referred to the dead woman as a fat useless slut.

Any other recent president would have taken a clear stand against the Nazis. Trump is trying to embolden and empower them instead.

That's a 'no' then.

Lets see... he does have a cabinet of advisers... he does have a media that he has to choose his words in circumstances like this very carefully in dealing with and... geez... I'm still reeling from the revelation that the ACLU was on the 'Nazi's side of this twice here - not only before the event in bringing the authority of a federal judge behind their event permit but also after the event admitting that the police wall vanished at a certain point, not as if to allow the melee that ensued - there was nothing else that could have happened when they pulled the shield wall out.

He had to encapsulate his opinion of that in one or two sentences. The only more on-point thing he could have said was 'We'll be establishing a congressional committee to investigate the actions of both Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe and mayor Michael Signer to assess their actions and whether those actions rise to the level of public endangerment and/or criminal negligence in the death of one Heather Heyer, nineteen others injured, and dozens of other mace, concrete, and brick assaults'.

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Trump publicly denounced neo-nazis. The only complaint is that he did not do so within a 48 hour time frame.

And where has the neo nazi movement celebrated the heinous bloodshed and referred to the dead woman as a fat useless slut?

She's obviously not fat:



So where did you obtain this info please?

National Socialism is on the rise. Trump made up an "alt Left" to make it sound like the people who oppose Nazi ideology were on a moral equivalent level of Nazi ideology.

Why is that so f*****g hard for people to understand? Even many hardcore Republicans called him out on that. People who I would never usually agree with, they know that Nazis and Klansmen have no place in the USA.

Anybody who is not scared of Trump now either isn't paying attention, or is a National Socialist sympathiser himself.

Look up The Daily Stormer for the commentary on the patriotic American who died on American soil while standing up against National Socialism.

What scares me in all of this - this is dealing with not just thugs but also public figures, with police forces at their disposal, who only believe in rule of law when it fits their ideological leanings. That thought scares me much more than any alt-right or Antifa skirmishing in the park because it says something profound about the current state of decay that our system is in, that is the termites just chewed through a rotten support.

I'm sorry.... all I could make of that was something about salvation and Jesus.

I am also scared about that, as well. We agree on something.

I have seen and been a victim of enough homophobic hate without the current political environment getting more toxic on a daily basis. Frankly, all of this terrifies me. I have been losing sleep over it. Perhaps I am letting my emotions interfere with my posting here.

But Nazis proudly marching on American streets and a president who only called it what it was after a media backlash, before then blaming a non existent "alt Left".....

What the f**k am I supposed to make of that?

This is no longer a partisan issue anymore. It stopped being about left vs right when the Nazis got involved.

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As a gay man with autism, I am fuckong terrified. Not only by the fact that Nazis have been marching on our streets while the President tries to normalize National Socialist rallies..... But by how perfectly alright some of you are with the situation.