Reshma Saujani: "Men create tech to replace their mothers"

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27 Aug 2017, 9:29 pm

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I've noticed something similar with my guitar teacher. He's married but he doesn't like any female musicians. He even thinks there are no good "chick" singers in any form of rock music.


Maybe he's just tired of women like Morgan Lander or Larissa Stupar sounding tougher than he does? :lol:


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27 Aug 2017, 11:01 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Marknis wrote:
I've noticed something similar with my guitar teacher. He's married but he doesn't like any female musicians. He even thinks there are no good "chick" singers in any form of rock music.


Maybe he's just tired of women like Morgan Lander or Larissa Stupar sounding tougher than he does? :lol:


It's also possible that if he is accustom to rock singers being male, female rock singers can never sound right to him.



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08 Nov 2017, 4:53 am

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09 Nov 2017, 5:28 pm

Men do feel empathy, but women are often more able to express it.


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10 Nov 2017, 9:40 pm

Is it empathy when you feel bad for not feeling empathy? :duh:


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10 Nov 2017, 11:08 pm

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Is it empathy when you feel bad for not feeling empathy? :duh:


Nah, that's just guilt.


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11 Nov 2017, 7:47 am

I just read the linked article and I sure am glad the majority of feminists aren't as stupid as Reshma Saujani.

Saying that boys lack empathy is basically saying that boys are defect girls. It's like she's saying girls can do everything boys can do but boys can't do the thing girls do, feel empathy.

She's seen her female coding students build apps to prevent lead poisoning. She never saw her male coding students do that because she's never had any.

So coding a food delivery app is replacing your mother? Would she prefer if these grown men still had their mother's cooking for them? She'd probably say that's sexist as well.

But men only solve little problems if you use her confirmation bias to cherrypick all the times men solved little problems and willfully ignore the times men solved big problems.

Take Bill Gates. He's a man in IT. He's trying to cure malaria. That sounds like a pretty big problem. It also sounds like he has a lot of empathy.

Is this a new phenomom? No it's as old as history. Take Joseph Bazalgette. About a hundred and fifty years ago he built the mammoth London sewer system to prevent the spread of cholera. That was a big undertaking too. One also motivated by empathy.


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11 Nov 2017, 7:56 am

The only way to eradicate malaria is to eradicate the mosquitoes who bite the human victims.

The cholera thing and the tunnel: amazing, since the “germ theory” was still an esoteric theory, if it has been promulgated at all by 1867-ish.



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11 Nov 2017, 8:14 am

Empathy?
If she is making it all-or-nothing then what she is saying is absurd. If its a sliding scale, and she is saying that women as a group tend to have more radar for the feelings of others around them than do men as a group- then that's not a particularly shocking, nor particularly original, observation.

Rock singers? Do you mean "singers" as that. As actual vocalists?

I didn't know that there were any good male rock singers, at least not since 1970. The late David Bowie was one the most influential giants of rock, and yet no one ever accused him of ever having any singing talent! Great songwriter, great showman, yes. But he sang like crap.

Men invent tech to replace their mothers?

Women have mothers too. And adult females would presumably miss their moms as much as an adult men do. So that doesn't even begin to make any sense as a theory.

She shoulda come up with something peculiar to the gender like "men invent tech as a mating display", or "men invent technology to symbolically enhance their genitalia". Even pseudoscience has to have SOME logic to it. :lol:



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11 Nov 2017, 8:26 am

Most feminists want to end gender based stereotypes but a few like her want to perpetuate them.


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11 Nov 2017, 9:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Clakker wrote:
Is it empathy when you feel bad for not feeling empathy? :duh:


Nah, that's just guilt.

My bad. :roll: I mean't to say is it empathy when you don't feel bad for not feeling empathy i.e. as a moral agent I do what is expected of me but my agency is not based on a natural coercion to do 'good' or because I 'care' but due to nurture and socialisation. Men are socialised to act as if they have empathy for economic gain and social/relationship success. The employment market is full of jobs where men act empathetically, even if they may not actually feel empathy. Even our current debates surrounding gender equality presuppose empathy. Men learn to display 'understanding', at least publicly, irrespective of an inherent inclination towards empathy.

If I act as if I care, even if I don't care or don't know if care, is it empathy?


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11 Nov 2017, 10:08 pm

Clakker wrote:
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Clakker wrote:
Is it empathy when you feel bad for not feeling empathy? :duh:


Nah, that's just guilt.

My bad. :roll: I mean't to say is it empathy when you don't feel bad for not feeling empathy i.e. as a moral agent I do what is expected of me but my agency is not based on a natural coercion to do 'good' or because I 'care' but due to nurture and socialisation. Men are socialised to act as if they have empathy for economic gain and social/relationship success. The employment market is full of jobs where men act empathetically, even if they may not actually feel empathy. Even our current debates surrounding gender equality presuppose empathy. Men learn to display 'understanding', at least publicly, irrespective of an inherent inclination towards empathy.

If I act as if I care, even if I don't care or don't know if care, is it empathy?


Even when I don't feel empathy for someone's loss, I realize I need to express empathy just the same. Dpn't know if that helps.


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11 Nov 2017, 10:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Even when I don't feel empathy for someone's loss, I realize I need to express empathy just the same.

Exactly, acting empathy and socialised empathy are basically indistinguishable. In most situations 'acting empathy" is like a 'saving throw' that can save you from being accused of not 'caring'. I suspect some men are better at this than others. Women are socialised to show they 'care' more than men. Reshma Saujani article just contributes to this socialisation by implying women show inherently more empathy than men.


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12 Nov 2017, 8:55 am

Damn, was hoping this wasn't a chit post. Been trying to replace my mother


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12 Nov 2017, 9:40 am

What the hell?



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12 Nov 2017, 12:51 pm

SZWell wrote:
Damn, was hoping this wasn't a chit post. Been trying to replace my mother

Sadly there is no replacing a good mother. :(


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