Why The Judaeo-Christian God Makes No Sense to Me

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They exercise their free will and end in rejecting a God that all moral people would reject. Those are not Christians though as evidenced by their adoring a satanic genocidal son murdering Gods.

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DL

I'm sure we've covered this, you are reading things too literally. When was the last time a Christian stoned an unruly child to death? Or a fornicator for that matter? To understand Christianity by reading the Bible literally is to try and understand the ocean by looking at a cup of water. You chided me (rightly) for attacking a straw man Gnostic in the other thread, physician heal thyself.

If secular law had not brought Christianity to heel, they would be stoning people.

Even as we speak, they continue to victimize women and gays.

It is not I that needs healing and repenting. It is Christians.

Why are you more protective of the evil ones than their victims?

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DL

This is fanciful, you cannot claim the last 2000 years of tradition, law and social organisation as secularism taming Christianity. Christianity is an evolving faith. The secular ideal, legal and moral, inherited almost everything it has from Christian predecessors. The arguments and battles were Christian vs Christian, not Gnostic cape-wearing hero vs evil priest.

I agree that secular law was developed from traditions that pre-dated Christianity.

There is nothing new in Christianity. All of it was plagiarized from other wiser traditions that were corrupted by Christian interpretations.

Here is a prime example of Christianity's corrupting effect. Original sin that was our original virtue.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/10/ ... -theodicy/

‘Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue, the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants’.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k ... -of-3_news

Any questions?

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DL

Not what I meant. As an example, freedom of religion in an Earthly hierarchy is a Christian idea, thought of by Christians, fought for by Christians, opposed by Christians, forged in the blood, fire and regret of many Christian wars. The idea of a secular country with secular institutions is an evolution of that line of thinking, not a special snowflake hidden tradition fighting from within.



This is nothing new to me. I used to be the snarky atheist, I know many of these "gotcha" facts. They don't threaten any Christian with a basic understanding of the history, this is what happened. Yes, Christianity took over old pagan festivals, sounds pretty sensible to me. Yes, Christianity does not exist in a knowledge vacuum, it takes good ideas and sometimes makes them its own (like the Gnostics hohoho).


Good. Original virtue is a terrible doctrine, if you could sum up the history of the 20th century in a sentence it would be "There is nothing more dangerous than a man who thinks he is good." Belief in original virtue would eventually legitimise all feelings and desires. Original sin demands you assume all your basest instincts are probably bad and think before you act.



This amazing idea is how Orthodox Judaism became an extremely closed faith, that legitimises treating non-Jews like dirt. Do you think this is a good idea? One you would agree with as a Gnostic? or are you just firing off anti-Christian arrows in order to avoid thinking about the difficult ideas I've expressed in the last few posts?

That's not entirely fair to Western philosophy, ideas adopted from other parts of the world, or laws made to curtail the excesses of absolute monarchy.

Oh brother!

The question of God's existence/non-existence has nothing to do with science!! !! ! It's a purely philosophical question, like the question "Is the concept of an objective reality flawed?" which, by the way, those who practice the scientific method assume the answer to be "no".

It does skim over some details, but I did say almost. It is not nearly as great a revisionist crime as GB's claim. Also, curtailing monarchy is not necessarily non-Christian. Christianity, unlike a certain other religion, isn't big on politics and societal organisation. Jesus is all about saving souls, not the minutia of creating nations and empires. Some of the apostles have some thoughts, but if you were to sum up the Bible on these things it would be "it doesn't matter that much, it's probably going to turn out unfair, unjust and generally crappy whatever you do".

Inquisitions belie what you put.

Any who stick up for religions like Christianity which promote homophobia and misogyny are just as immoral as those who openly preach for those two evils.

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DL

I can agree with this.

Those who practice it well, when speaking of moral tenets, will say yes.

Give us a couple of your objective moral tenets if you think there are any.

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DL

He's one of my favorite biology-related quotes.

"In short, if all the matter in the universe except the nematodes were swept away, our world would still be dimly recognizable, and if, as disembodied spirits, we could then investigate it, we should find its mountains, hills, vales, rivers, lakes, and oceans represented by a film of nematodes. The location of towns would be decipherable, since for every massing of human beings there would be a corresponding massing of certain nematodes. Trees would still stand in ghostly rows representing our streets and highways. The location of the various plants and animals would still be decipherable, and, had we sufficient knowledge, in many cases even their species could be determined by an examination of their erstwhile nematode parasites."
- Nathan Cobb

We are allegedly made in God's image, and yet we are not the most successful species on planet earth. Not by a longshot.

For whom does the earth exist? Well ... nematodes ... unless you count bacteria.

The most numerous (and, therefore, successful) life forms on the planet are the primitive beasts who cannot even comprehend the divine. Some of these creatures are even immortal. For example, some hydrozoans are immortal. Why was the gift of immortality bestowed upon the lowly hydra? Could it be that we are not actually divine in origin?

Furthermore, I'm sick of the whole "complex cells can't come from non-living matter" crap. Archaea don't even have any organelles. Furthermore, organic chemicals can and do arise from natural chemical reactions. Abiogenesis makes perfect sense. In fact, abiogenesis may still be happening in chemically active areas.

If anyone here doesn't know what archaea are, then I won't explain what they are. If you don't know what archaea are, then biology is not your forte. Begone.

You argue like a child GB. I'm not above arguing like one too, when the occasion calls: What do you know about the link between Gnostic Christian thought and the National Socialists of Germany? Does that reflect poorly on your faith? Are you guys Nazis lololol?

That depends on how one defines success.

Won't this mentality create elitism? "If I think you are not worthy of God's grace then why should I treat you with respect?"or something of that nature.

You say I argue like a child, while not showing what you are referring to, and while ignoring the simple request I made for you to show what exactly you were claiming in terms of objective morals, and you answer by trying to link Gnostic Christians and myself, I guess, to Nazis.

Who be the child here, child?

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DL