Why The Judaeo-Christian God Makes No Sense to Me
I think I see the origins of this thinking now, but carry on.
No I use it in its biological sense (Edit: actually it's not that simple, I need time to compose a better-than-one word description, as in my other post a few years ago, a human's progression through time is also a part of that understanding, which I don't think falls under biology strictly - whatever else that description is I wouldn't call it a moral category) my morality dictates that, while there are several arguable exceptions, we should not kill other humans and abortion is almost never one of those exceptions. I am wary of creating other categories of humans with the sole purpose of excusing killing, like persons and zygotes, Aryans and....
Edit2: unless... hm can morality and biology sensibly be separated in that way at all?
Edit3: There are oddities in your position I am struggling to get my head around. So far the implied wish or instinct to live grants the right not to be killed. I sort of understand that, though it doesn't seem quite sufficient to me. You say you might allow post-natal termination for babies that have serious conditions that were undetected during pregnancy (why does time of detection matter?), are these only conditions that affect the baby's current will to live? If not you are presumably making judgements on that baby's future quality of life and future will to live. Simultaneously, in my thought experiment, you say we should not kill the suicidal man, because he might change his mind. More writing please.
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I think I see the origins of this thinking now, but carry on.
No I use it in its biological sense (Edit: actually it's not that simple, I need time to compose a better-than-one word description, as in my other post a few years ago, a human's progression through time is also a part of that understanding, which I don't think falls under biology strictly - whatever else that description is I wouldn't call it a moral category) my morality dictates that, while there are several arguable exceptions, we should not kill other humans and abortion is almost never one of those exceptions. I am wary of creating other categories of humans with the sole purpose of excusing killing, like persons and zygotes, Aryans and....
Edit2: unless... hm can morality and biology sensibly be separated in that way at all?
Edit3: There are oddities in your position I am struggling to get my head around. So far the implied wish or instinct to live grants the right not to be killed. I sort of understand that, though it doesn't seem quite sufficient to me. You say you might allow post-natal termination for babies that have serious conditions that were undetected during pregnancy (why does time of detection matter?), are these only conditions that affect the baby's current will to live? If not you are presumably making judgements on that baby's future quality of life and future will to live. Simultaneously, in my thought experiment, you say we should not kill the suicidal man, because he might change his mind. More writing please.
ah, the old slippery slope - may or may not be a reasonable fear.
I don't think slippery slope is quite right. I'm not saying abortion leads to holocaust, I'm saying abortion advocates are engaging in the same sort of thinking, it's just less obvious. Dehumanising is a common human self-deception, it's how many murderers justify their crimes. It's how soldiers become more effective killers. I presume it's how abortion doctors sleep at night, telling themselves it wasn't wrong at all, because it wasn't really a human. On that note, I'm off to sleep.
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Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
I don't think slippery slope is quite right. I'm not saying abortion leads to holocaust, I'm saying abortion advocates are engaging in the same sort of thinking, it's just less obvious. Dehumanising is a common human self-deception, it's how many murderers justify their crimes. It's how soldiers become more effective killers. I presume it's how abortion doctors sleep at night, telling themselves it wasn't wrong at all, because it wasn't really a human. On that note, I'm off to sleep.
look at a photo of a 6-8 week fetus and tell me how it looks different from a fish fetus. what makes a human human to you? to me, it's the ability to have and process emotions. and communication is right up there. i think it's awful to kill an ape, whale, dolphin, or elephant. i have an abortion doctor friend who feels she's doing a great service to men, women, and god. no need to dehumanize anything.
Why do looks matter? What else can it be besides a developing human being?
There are many things adult humans might be said to be or to have, younger humans may not have them yet, that does not mean they are not human.
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Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
Why do looks matter? What else can it be besides a developing human being?
it has human dna, but not much else that can be classified as uniquely human at that point.
There are many things adult humans might be said to be or to have, younger humans may not have them yet, that does not mean they are not human.
Especially when that perfect God is a genocidal son murdering prick.
Why on earth would even the most insane, not that I think you are such, want such a vile God?
Please tell us.
Regards
DL
Especially when that perfect God is a genocidal son murdering prick.
Why on earth would even the most insane, not that I think you are such, want such a vile God?
Please tell us.
Regards
DL
I'm to imperfect to get it DL both by my ASD and sinful nature. I have no answer. I don't know.
Especially when that perfect God is a genocidal son murdering prick.
Why on earth would even the most insane, not that I think you are such, want such a vile God?
Please tell us.
Regards
DL
I'm to imperfect to get it DL both by my ASD and sinful nature. I have no answer. I don't know.
You obviously worship power over morality or you would not be wanting an immoral genocidal son murdering God.
Please change your focus to morality and reject Yahweh and his immoral ways.
Regards
DL
Because in Christianity, everyone and everything is either completely good or bad
No room for Kohlberg's levels of Morality
Because Buddhists do not go around "educating" people about Buddhism
Because Christians act like - it's my way or the highway
Because of racism sexism and homophobia
"The mark of Cain"
Because different Christians choose what to interpret literally or figuratively
Because some Christians attempt to justify their homophobia by hiding behind an entire religion
Doesn't make sense
If a Buddhist or atheist wants to be homophobic, they can't hide behind an entire religion
Because in Christianity, it is an entire clique. Either you are "in" or not
Buddhists don't do that
Not only that, but Buddha is not so angry and vengeful that Buddha sends people to hell to punish them for allegedly disobeying him
Someone can be Buddhist and another religion, and that is OK with Buddha
No room for Kohlberg's levels of Morality
Because Buddhists do not go around "educating" people about Buddhism
Because Christians act like - it's my way or the highway
Because of racism sexism and homophobia
"The mark of Cain"
Because different Christians choose what to interpret literally or figuratively
Because some Christians attempt to justify their homophobia by hiding behind an entire religion
Doesn't make sense
If a Buddhist or atheist wants to be homophobic, they can't hide behind an entire religion
Because in Christianity, it is an entire clique. Either you are "in" or not
Buddhists don't do that
Not only that, but Buddha is not so angry and vengeful that Buddha sends people to hell to punish them for allegedly disobeying him
Someone can be Buddhist and another religion, and that is OK with Buddha
Further, if you know any Buddhists, you can feel the love whereas with most Christians I know, you cannot for some of the reasons you put.
My line of of favorite religions is my own Gnostic Christianity, followed by either Karaite Jews, of which there are few, and Buddhism which has a larger following. All these basically put man above God.
The way it should be.
Regards
DL
Because they claim that abortion is always wrong , but they do not take into account overpopulation, disease, poverty, insufficient parenting skills. Logistics
Because in the united States, Christians are the majority religion. Coins say in God we trust . In court, witnesses swear on a Bible. government buildings close for Christmas, not Ramadan. and et cetera. Maybe that is part of why they act so entitled and morally innocent and self important
Because plenty of Christians had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying" when I asked them to call me "he" instead of "she". San Diego 2004 Gender Therapy . But that was before the EEOC included gender identity in the list of protected status
But they did not just tell me that I was "lying". They acted like they have never done anything wrong before. They acted like I was evil and that I invented "lying".
But when it turned out they were wrong, not one of them
fixed the problem they caused
put the same energy fixing the problem, as they did, causing the problem
put the slightest amount of energy into saying "I'm sorry sir"
So it was like they could do whatever they wanted and get away with it. But when I did the slightest thing they did not understand, like, or accept, all of a sudden they treated me like Public Enemy Number One
"You make people uncomfortable with the way you dress!"
"You don't care about anyone except yourself!"
Diversity is something that Christians have always fought, even to the point of Inquisitions.
Christians have and continue to ret*d and hinder our advancement to a better and more civilized society.
Regards
DL
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"You make people uncomfortable with the way you dress!"
"You don't care about anyone except yourself!"
Those Christians don't care about anyone except themselves.
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