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31 Aug 2017, 1:16 am

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That is just sick. If you want people to have less children why not give them birth control? Why the hell do right wing ret*ds support having as many children as possible while simultaneously hating the poor?


That's what I can't figure out either. Abstinence doesn't seem to work, so the logical alternative is birth control, not letting the poor starve because one thinks they are no different from birds!

By the way, people who are mentally impaired (i.e. ret*d) usually have much more compassion for those less fortunate than themselves than those right-wing, fundamentalist knuckle-draggers who think Ayn Rand was a great philosopher. People like that make me sick, because not only have they NO idea what the poor have to endure, but they openly admit they wouldn't give a rat's ass even if they did (plus, they're actually PROUD of that)!


A-FRIGGIN'-MEN! :thumleft:


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31 Aug 2017, 1:31 am

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If one is poor when one smokes and drinks, one probably isn't going to be significantly less poor if one gave up smoking and drinking. They may have more for food or basic necessities, but cigarettes and most alcoholic beverages are novelty items, the expenses of which would not greatly impact a financially health person.

A packet of 20 cigarettes in the UK are about £7.50 ($9.50) so a 20 a day habit is £52 a week. That's a substantial amount of money for someone with no job or who is on minimum wage. Alcohol is also very expensive here.

You can smoke for less using roll ups but the point about it being a poor financial decision still stands.



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18 Sep 2017, 6:54 pm

Poor people need to stop having children. Especially the types who have the children in order to get a little bit more money. It never works out good.. the children suffer more than the actual parent.



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18 Sep 2017, 7:31 pm

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Poor people need to stop having children. Especially the types who have the children in order to get a little bit more money. It never works out good.. the children suffer more than the actual parent.


If Poor people didn't have children, then almost none of us would be here today. Guess what, most of us are descended from poor people.
My wife and I aren't exactly rolling in cash - in fact, I doubt I could wipe with what little money we have - but we have a child. She was a choice neither of us have ever regretted. Before making pronouncement about how poor people should be barred - even if by choice - from exercising the right all human beings have always enjoyed, consider that even poor people regard their children as more precious than any degree of wealth.


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20 Sep 2017, 6:11 am

UBI is probably a very good idea. The issue is setting it at a level where it will make a difference is difficult; avoiding breeding resentment is also difficult.

Advantages of UBI include:

- Government assistance can no longer be considered a "handout for lazy people". It's a universal birthright as a citizen.
- It gives people the ability to choose whether or not to work full-time.
- It injects money into the economy, powering businesses.
- It cuts admin costs associated with current policies.