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10 Sep 2017, 5:27 pm

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But the Confederacy has been dead for over 150 years so whatever actual allegiance is only out of nostalgia.


Doesn't matter the principle is the same. There shouldn't be insignia unrelated to their role as US state facility.


Whatever little actual allegiance there is left will die out of natural causes (i.e. time).


You are missing the point, it is about principle if you make one exception the whole principle is derailed.



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10 Sep 2017, 5:31 pm

The allegiance is symbolized by the correct insignia and the absence of incorrect insignia. Testing incorrect insignia for supporters of some other allegiance is not required and pointless.

There is a responsibility in is role as as state institution or government to represent the state, any suggestion otherwise whether or not it has credible support goes against this principle.

It is very difficult to measure support in the future, and it would not be a politically neutral activity to do this. Such adornment are against the interest of the state



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10 Sep 2017, 5:46 pm

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So much for championing the working class, eh...


I wouldn't expect an elitist corporocrat centrist to care about working people beyond their votes. Hillary isn't a populist of any sort, she isn't 'left wing', she's certainly not a socialist by any valid definition of the term, she works for Wall St, just like at least half of both major US parties.

This cycle we were guaranteed a scandal-ridden criminal was going to be elected, it was just a matter of whether or not they had a political track record as well.


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10 Sep 2017, 6:18 pm

What I am seeing is that many on the left must be extremely low people to mock those or the viewpoints of those who they oppose by calling them every name in the book (*) or calling them dangerous lunatics and suggesting that they are in hysterics about our direction as a country, when there a lot of fair, legitimate reasons for their "warning" that isn't based in mental illness or sadism. Of course, there are those on the right who I don't really enjoy either, so I guess I'll try top stop trying to defend only the right from now on as much as I have. I will say, at least the right side of that coin doesn't pretend to be something they are not.

* I'm surprised we still "have" to teach preschool or kindergarten students manners today.



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10 Sep 2017, 6:25 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
The allegiance is symbolized by the correct insignia and the absence of incorrect insignia. Testing incorrect insignia for supporters of some other allegiance is not required and pointless.

There is a responsibility in is role as as state institution or government to represent the state, any suggestion otherwise whether or not it has credible support goes against this principle.

It is very difficult to measure support in the future, and it would not be a politically neutral activity to do this. Such adornment are against the interest of the state


I've made my point clearly enough here and that point has merit. If I have to go any further and lead you by the hand you won't like the way I do it. Besides, there's not a statue of Robert E. Lee at the Palace of Westminster or the stars and bars flapping in the breezes over Scotland Yard so I fail to see what interest all this is to a Londoner.
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10 Sep 2017, 6:38 pm

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So much for championing the working class, eh...


I wouldn't expect an elitist corporocrat centrist to care about working people beyond their votes. Hillary isn't a populist of any sort, she isn't 'left wing', she's certainly not a socialist by any valid definition of the term, she works for Wall St, just like at least half of both major US parties.

This cycle we were guaranteed a scandal-ridden criminal was going to be elected, it was just a matter of whether or not they had a political track record as well.


I have no illusions about any politician being for my interests, or anyone else, or any group except for the votes. Money talks and BS walks. Trump is further right than Clinton and Clinton is further left than Trump and nothing more when it comes to political spectrum.

I would personally like to put more stock in third party candidates but the bottom line is that they lack the funding for the campaigning needed to win votes. As stated before, I could care less about their campaigning, baby kissing, and false promise making but I'm just one vote and too many other Americans are foolishly swooned by all that glitter and showmanship.


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10 Sep 2017, 6:39 pm

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What I am seeing is that many on the left must be extremely low people to mock those or the viewpoints of those who they oppose by calling them every name in the book (*) or calling them dangerous lunatics and suggesting that they are in hysterics about our direction as a country, when there a lot of fair, legitimate reasons for their "warning" that isn't based in mental illness or sadism. Of course, there are those on the right who I don't really enjoy either, so I guess I'll try top stop trying to defend only the right from now on as much as I have. I will say, at least the right side of that coin doesn't pretend to be something they are not.

* I'm surprised we still "have" to teach preschool or kindergarten students manners today.


Accurately labelling someone as racist or misogynistic based on the beliefs they consistently espouse isn't name-calling, it's an honest description. I guess it's not politically correct to call a spade a spade any more?


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10 Sep 2017, 8:16 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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What I am seeing is that many on the left must be extremely low people to mock those or the viewpoints of those who they oppose by calling them every name in the book (*) or calling them dangerous lunatics and suggesting that they are in hysterics about our direction as a country, when there a lot of fair, legitimate reasons for their "warning" that isn't based in mental illness or sadism. Of course, there are those on the right who I don't really enjoy either, so I guess I'll try top stop trying to defend only the right from now on as much as I have. I will say, at least the right side of that coin doesn't pretend to be something they are not.

* I'm surprised we still "have" to teach preschool or kindergarten students manners today.


Accurately labelling someone as racist or misogynistic based on the beliefs they consistently espouse isn't name-calling, it's an honest description. I guess it's not politically correct to call a spade a spade any more?


People just find people being offended to usually be offensive in itself. Please don't bring left vs. right into this specifically.



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11 Sep 2017, 12:07 am

K_Kelly wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
K_Kelly wrote:
What I am seeing is that many on the left must be extremely low people to mock those or the viewpoints of those who they oppose by calling them every name in the book (*) or calling them dangerous lunatics and suggesting that they are in hysterics about our direction as a country, when there a lot of fair, legitimate reasons for their "warning" that isn't based in mental illness or sadism. Of course, there are those on the right who I don't really enjoy either, so I guess I'll try top stop trying to defend only the right from now on as much as I have. I will say, at least the right side of that coin doesn't pretend to be something they are not.

* I'm surprised we still "have" to teach preschool or kindergarten students manners today.


Accurately labelling someone as racist or misogynistic based on the beliefs they consistently espouse isn't name-calling, it's an honest description. I guess it's not politically correct to call a spade a spade any more?


People just find people being offended to usually be offensive in itself. Please don't bring left vs. right into this specifically.


I didn't bring left vs. right into this, I brought up that the goal is to stifle fair criticism. Some people don't like when a spade gets called a spade and will have no choice but to learn to deal with it.


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