Rohingya crisis: Seeing through the official story in Myanma

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marshall
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20 Sep 2017, 3:02 am

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True socialism can only come from the bottom up. We need to tell poor people about the nature of the corporate monster in which they live. That's real progress. This is already happening, given that Clinton has experienced a massive popularity dip recently. People are becoming increasingly aware of the suppression of Bernie. The internet is largely responsible for this.

The failed "socialist" states in the past were examples of top-down socialism. Bottom-up socialism is what we get when the poor create the new system.

Bottom-up socialism has been proposed by libertarian socialists and anarchists for centuries, but it never really took off because the poor were too misinformed. There was no way to spread libertarian socialist philosophy effectively.

This is changing since we are still approaching the peak of the information age. Ever year, more people have high-speed internet access. Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders have a huge online fanbase. YouTube channels with libertarian socialist leanings are experiencing a boom in popularity. Socialist meme sites like r/completeanarchy are becoming increasingly popular.

In other words, those socialist experiments failed due to technological limitations, not human nature. The poor aren't as easy to bamboozle nowadays.

Fun Fact: Democracy was tried in Ancient Greece. It failed due to technological limitations. Plato and Socrates hated democracy because it wasn't working. Was Plato a fool? No. The printing press was just outside of his imagination.

Bernie may have described himself as a Socialist at one point, but the policies he's actually putting forward are more in line with European style Social Democracy. There is literally no way in hell he will be able to put forward anything remotely socialist in the way you are thinking. He will never get enough congressional Democrats on board with anything truly "radical". Of course that won't stop the right from going into a "literally Stalin" hysteria over him. In the 30s the right were so afraid of FDR they actually had a plot to assassinate him.



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20 Sep 2017, 4:45 pm

I think I've helped derail Boo's thread enough, but suffice it to say, both of you are assuming the presence of beliefs I do not hold. We can move it to another thread or chat in pm if you are really interested.


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20 Sep 2017, 7:09 pm

marshall wrote:
Bernie may have described himself as a Socialist at one point, but the policies he's actually putting forward are more in line with European style Social Democracy. There is literally no way in hell he will be able to put forward anything remotely socialist in the way you are thinking.


Be patient and remain persistent. Technological growth is on our side. We'll use the internet to spread the awful truth.

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He will never get enough congressional Democrats on board with anything truly "radical".


Once the American people realize that their corrupt congressmen have been destroying everything, they will be pissed.
Congressional Democrats will eventually cave in out of fear. :twisted:

The American masses are very powerful. Ignorance is holding them back. They are disorganized and confused. The internet will cure this.

Sanders is loathed by the wealthiest people in the world. Most poor people who know him, love him. The struggle has already begun ... though it has yet to reach its epic climax.

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Of course that won't stop the right from going into a "literally Stalin" hysteria over him.


It's 2017. Nearly everyone has internet access. Anyone can go on YouTube and listen to Chomsky talk about how Stalinism is not the only kind of socialism.

The internet just keeps getting better and better. In the nineties, many people didn't even have internet access. The internet was slow. Loading took forever. Nowadays, most people in the middle class watch YouTube videos all the time ... with barely any loading! We can even watch YouTube videos on our phones!

In a decade (or perhaps even sooner) even the poorest people in America will have smartphones with high speed internet access. That's when the real fun begins.

The printing press changed the global political climate in countless ways. So did the telephone. The internet has yet to reach its full potential. It will remake the world in its image.


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