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14 Oct 2017, 3:24 am

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Q. If there is a cover up then (please short answer) why would the authorities want to hide anything?


Is there supposed to be a contradiction between cover up and hide?

Since we are getting into semantics then why would there be a need to cover up what happened? or who Paddock is? or what his motivations are?


There would need to be a cover up if it's a conspiracy like a false flag or whatever.

Conspiracy Theories Spring Up, Spread in the Wake of Las Vegas Mass Shooting

http://www.snopes.com/2017/10/12/conspi ... -shooting/



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14 Oct 2017, 3:30 am

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Anyone want to answer my questions?

Pretend you're asking, "Sherlock Holmes".

What would he say about "police methods"?

Already the police have admitted to making mistakes about the timeline, about the timestamp of the radio calls, about when the suspect checked in ....



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14 Oct 2017, 6:08 am

"MGM Says the Las Vegas Gunman Fired on Security Guard and the Crowd at About the Same Time"
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/mgm- ... 57393.html

Now MGM is contradicting Mr. Campos's story, which maybe explains why he didn't show up to the press conference.

Thus, MGM says, there was no time to warn anyone,so they're not liable.



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14 Oct 2017, 8:02 am

I think there were two shooters - you have the two rooms, you have the meal ticket for two guests, you have that someone entered Paddocks 32nd floor room with his card when he was out of the hotel (Danley already out of country), you have the hotel saying that Campos got shot at the same time as Paddock was shooting at the crowd with the sheriff saying that the hotels timeline is correct, and going back to that video showing when the shooting was taking place shows what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor.

I think the police and the FBI are covering something up because of too many unanswered questions - why does their story of when the security guard getting shot keep changing? How did the security guard only get shot once in the leg when they said that 200 bullets came from Paddocks door? Why did it take police 75 minutes to enter Paddocks room? What were the police actually doing during that 75 minutes?

I was listening to Savage last night and he brought up another good point - with those 200 shots that came from Paddocks room, why didn't the hotel get several calls from people who were on that same floor calling to see what was going on and not just from the security guard? I have a theory about that - they said that the guard ran into some sort of blocked area. I'm thinking that the whole 32nd floor was blocked off and had no guests in those rooms. Remember that we heard from the guy who had the room right under Paddock - he was from Kansas actually. Why did we not hear from anyone who had a room on Paddocks same floor? I

Why a cover-up? Because I think it could be terrorism. You have ISIS claiming it 3 TIMES and not only claiming it, but their social media is saying that we are covering up what really happened, and you have Paddock taking cruises to the Middle East. What is that all about? I think the authorities lied about what was in that note. I think they got more information out of Danley than they are letting on, and speaking of which, where the hell is Danley? Now you have the security guard who was going to spill the beans about what happened and then bolts at the last minute. Did the security guard take off on his own or did someone kidnap him? Maybe he was threatened by someone and got scared. Where is he now?

Now you have the police refusing to answer any questions and we still have never heard from the FBI. And there are people out there who still do not think that there is a cover-up?! Give me a break.


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14 Oct 2017, 5:04 pm

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I think there were two shooters - you have the two rooms, you have the meal ticket for two guests, you have that someone entered Paddocks 32nd floor room with his card when he was out of the hotel (Danley already out of country), you have the hotel saying that Campos got shot at the same time as Paddock was shooting at the crowd with the sheriff saying that the hotels timeline is correct, and going back to that video showing when the shooting was taking place shows what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor.


He registered the room in his and his girl friend's name. That's why the meal tickets listed two guests. As for someone entering the room with his card, that could mean anything, but most likely it was him entering the room with his card. Campos was not shot at the same time he was shooting at the crowd. He was shot immediately before. Which you would know if you actually looked at the police timeline from a reliable news source.


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14 Oct 2017, 5:15 pm

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I think there were two shooters - you have the two rooms, you have the meal ticket for two guests, you have that someone entered Paddocks 32nd floor room with his card when he was out of the hotel (Danley already out of country), you have the hotel saying that Campos got shot at the same time as Paddock was shooting at the crowd with the sheriff saying that the hotels timeline is correct, and going back to that video showing when the shooting was taking place shows what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor.


He registered the room in his and his girl friend's name. That's why the meal tickets listed two guests. As for someone entering the room with his card, that could mean anything, but most likely it was him entering the room with his card. Campos was not shot at the same time he was shooting at the crowd. He was shot immediately before. Which you would know if you actually looked at the police timeline from a reliable news source.


Too many assumptions on your part. Why did he register the room with Danley's name when she was out of the country and he had already had a room in his own name? And when his card was used it specifically said it was when Paddock was away from the hotel - record showed he left the garage with his car. And the hotel said that their timeline shows the guard being shot at the same time as the shootings on the crowd. The sheriff also backed up that timeline - no matter what news source you hear it from, it is the latest up-to-date timeline.


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14 Oct 2017, 5:36 pm

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I think there were two shooters - you have the two rooms, you have the meal ticket for two guests, you have that someone entered Paddocks 32nd floor room with his card when he was out of the hotel (Danley already out of country), you have the hotel saying that Campos got shot at the same time as Paddock was shooting at the crowd with the sheriff saying that the hotels timeline is correct, and going back to that video showing when the shooting was taking place shows what looks like gunfire coming from the 4th floor.


He registered the room in his and his girl friend's name. That's why the meal tickets listed two guests. As for someone entering the room with his card, that could mean anything, but most likely it was him entering the room with his card. Campos was not shot at the same time he was shooting at the crowd. He was shot immediately before. Which you would know if you actually looked at the police timeline from a reliable news source.


Too many assumptions on your part. Why did he register the room with Danley's name when she was out of the country and he had already had a room in his own name? And when his card was used it specifically said it was when Paddock was away from the hotel - record showed he left the garage with his car. And the hotel said that their timeline shows the guard being shot at the same time as the shootings on the crowd. The sheriff also backed up that timeline - no matter what news source you hear it from, it is the latest up-to-date timeline.


It is not my assumptions, it is what has been reported.

From the above linked article.

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“We are now confident that the time stated in this report is not accurate,” MGM said. “We know that shots were being fired at the festival lot at the same time as, or within 40 seconds after,the time Jesus Campos first reported that shots were fired over the radio.


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14 Oct 2017, 8:09 pm

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Anyone want to answer my questions?

Pretend you're asking, "Sherlock Holmes".

What would he say about "police methods"?

Already the police have admitted to making mistakes about the timeline, about the timestamp of the radio calls, about when the suspect checked in ....


Sherlock Holmes would have long ago taken a steam boat back to London if the only matter was police incompetence...the issue is whether the police are hiding information about the shooter and the answer appears to be "no"

The issue of police hiding their incompetence is a separate issue about protecting their backsides



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14 Oct 2017, 9:08 pm

Las Vegas Shooter’s Home Burglarized During Police Investigation

The Las Vegas shooter’s home in Reno, Nev. was broken into over the weekend while police and the FBI continue to investigate his motives, a report confirmed Tuesday.

Officer Tim Broadway with the Reno Police Department said that the suspect or suspects broke into the home through the front door at some point during the weekend. Reno officers arrived on the scene, and concluded that nothing obvious had been taken or damaged before they “immediately notified the FBI,” Broadway told The Reno Gazette-Journal.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/las-v ... stigation/

Does nurseangela have an alibi for this?


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14 Oct 2017, 11:48 pm

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Las Vegas Shooter’s Home Burglarized During Police Investigation

The Las Vegas shooter’s home in Reno, Nev. was broken into over the weekend while police and the FBI continue to investigate his motives, a report confirmed Tuesday.

Officer Tim Broadway with the Reno Police Department said that the suspect or suspects broke into the home through the front door at some point during the weekend. Reno officers arrived on the scene, and concluded that nothing obvious had been taken or damaged before they “immediately notified the FBI,” Broadway told The Reno Gazette-Journal.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/las-v ... stigation/

Does nurseangela have an alibi for this?


Possibility 1: He did not act alone.
Possibility 2: Dumb criminals who didn't think they might be putting the FBI on their tale.
Possibility 3: Criminals who didn't know it was his house.
Possibility 4: Neighborhood kids who were curious, and see 2 and 3.
Possibility 5: Someone who knew him and who wanted to retrieve something unrelated to the shooting but that they worried would get them in trouble.
Possibility 6. A private investigator hired by a 3rd party or someone who wanted to investigate something for themselves.



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16 Oct 2017, 11:14 pm

I told you - the FBI or the cops got ahold of CAMPOS and probably fed him to the fishes. .
WHERE OH WHERE HAS CAMPOS GONE?

Las Vegas guard Jesus Campos vanished after visiting urgent-care clinic, union leader says
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The Mandalay Bay security guard who disappeared last week moments before he was scheduled to break his silence in television interviews has not been seen since he went to a walk-in health clinic, his union president said.

David Hickey of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America (SPFPA) told reporters Friday that he got a text the night before saying Jesus Campos was taken to a UMC Quick Care facility, though he did not specify where or whom the text came from.

A spokesperson at the UMC Quick Care, which has eight locations throughout the Las Vegas area, told Fox News on Monday that they had "heard nothing" about Campos visiting them.

Multiple requests from Fox News for SPFPA to comment on the matter were not returned Monday.

Hickey said he was meeting with MGM officials Thursday afternoon in the hours before Campos’ scheduled television appearances, including one with Fox News.

LAS VEGAS SECURITY GUARD JESUS CAMPOS DISAPPEARS MOMENTS BEFORE TV INTERVIEWS

But when the meeting ended, Campos had fled.

FILE - In this Monday, Oct. 2, 2017 file photo, drapes billow out of broken windows at the Mandalay Bay resort and casino on the Las Vegas Strip, following a deadly shooting at a music festival in Las Vegas. Police who have yet to find Stephen Paddock's motive for the massacre said Friday, that they will enlist the public's help. The FBI's Aaron Rouse says billboards will ask people with credible information to call the agency at 800-CALL-FBI. (AP Photo/John Locher, File)
Police say hotel security guard Jesus Campos was shot by the gunmen before the mass shooting, which killed 58 people. (AP)

"For the past four days he's been preparing ... we had a meeting with MGM officials, and after that meeting was over, we talked about the interviews, we went to a private area, and when we came out, Mr. Campos was gone," Hickey told reporters, according to Fox 5 Las Vegas.

Hickey said Campos had requested to go public and wanted to tell his story and move on from the Oct. 1 shooting investigation. Police say he was shot just before the crazed gunman killed 58 at music festival on the Las Vegas Strip – though the sequence of events is still in dispute.

Campos was last photographed in public on Oct. 10, accepting an “SPFPA Hero Award” for bravery in the line of duty, while dining with Hickey and others at a high-end Vegas steakhouse. But soon afterward, investigators said that the security guard was shot before the massacre, raising questions about whether the hotel did enough to prevent the bloodshed.

Hickey has said that before he vanished, Campus was looking forward to telling his side of the story.

"Right now I'm just concerned where my member is, and what his condition is. It's highly unusual,” Hickey said Friday. “I'm hoping everything is OK with him and I'm sure MGM or the union will let (media) know when we hear something," he said.

Fox News' Greg Norman contributed to this report.


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17 Oct 2017, 6:19 am

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17 Oct 2017, 7:19 am

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From reading your own posts no doubt :P



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17 Oct 2017, 8:25 am

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Anyone want to answer my questions?

They don't have answers, that's why they aren't being answered. This entire thread is based on the conspiracy theory du jour, conspiracy theories deal in what we don't know, facts deal in what we do, therefor in a conspiracy thread there's nothing to answer since there are no facts involved, merely speculation about questions that have no immediate answer.



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17 Oct 2017, 9:57 am

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Anyone want to answer my questions?

They don't have answers, that's why they aren't being answered. This entire thread is based on the conspiracy theory du jour, conspiracy theories deal in what we don't know, facts deal in what we do, therefor in a conspiracy thread there's nothing to answer since there are no facts involved, merely speculation about questions that have no immediate answer.


We don't have facts because the darn sheriff's timeline keeps changing and they refuse to answer questions. How do you get any truth with that?! One's only option is to speculate unless you just accept an explanation that makes no sense because the authorities aren't talking. I just love how people throw around the words "conspiracy theory " but have no intelligent explanations themselves for what occurred.

This isn't just a little "who done it". People died - a lot of them - and no one is talking.


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17 Oct 2017, 10:07 am

nurseangela wrote:
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Anyone want to answer my questions?

They don't have answers, that's why they aren't being answered. This entire thread is based on the conspiracy theory du jour, conspiracy theories deal in what we don't know, facts deal in what we do, therefor in a conspiracy thread there's nothing to answer since there are no facts involved, merely speculation about questions that have no immediate answer.


We don't have facts because the darn sheriff's timeline keeps changing and they refuse to answer questions. How do you get any truth with that?! One's only option is to speculate unless you just accept an explanation that makes no sense because the authorities aren't talking. I just love how people throw around the words "conspiracy theory " but have no intelligent explanations themselves for what occurred.

That's entirely the point: I'll wait until real information comes out to judge what's going on. Rome wasn't built in a day, nor are major cases solved in an evening. Patience isn't just a virtue, it's a necessary tool in finding truth. The arguments on page 1 of this thread are nothing like page 40, the debate has twisted and turned 100's of time based on 'new evidence' (mainly conjecture, not really evidence), in circumstances such as these any formed opinion has a very high chance of being inaccurate or flat out wrong, since there's no verifiable evidence at this point. When the FBI task force and local PD release their report that's when I'll form an opinion-- and that doesn't mean I agree with what they say, merely that's the first time they will actually release all the pertinent information to the case.