VP Pence Walks Out on Football Game Cuz Players Take a Knee

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Like they just said on the radio, it's not about being patriotic because whether one stands for the flag or not does not make a person patriotic. What it is about is the players following their boss's rules - if the owner of the team wants his players to stand then they better stand and shut up. Anyone who has had a job knows that sometimes you have to do things that you don't believe in or don't want to do, but you do it to keep your job. This little kneeling crap is costing the NFL money because people are getting fed up and not going to the games and not watching football on TV. That means the players do what they are told to do or they will be fired by some team owners.

WOO-HOO!! I hope this comes to fruition----AND, I hope it stands as the precedent for any other group that doesn't know that even the First Amendment comes with limitations (that a company/organization CAN say "No")! !

I don't know much about this, cuz I can't watch videos, as I have limited bandwidth----but, my GUESS is if there were some "insulting the American flag", that is what's making people call ALL of them "not prideful / patriotic".


I'm thinking that what they MEANT was that someone who was prideful of their country (they would think Hitler was), should've won the war----but, it's a terribly unfortunate thing to say (to say the least), because it can be taken as them wishing that the U.S. DIDN'T win.


It's not about defending those whom I feel are hateful / horrible people----it's about defending TRUTH. As I've said, before, on here, I've even defended people on this very site, that I don't even LIKE, because it was the principle of the thing----ALL people, IMO, deserve EQUAL consideration, and I feel I would be remiss, as a human being, if I didn't consider ALL angles of an issue / situation / whatever.

I know you were talkin' to somebody else, but I wanted to chime-in, as well, on this one.....

It's not about "undoing" freedoms----it's ONLY about limitations; and, isn't it ironic that that's always your argument, when arguing against the 2ND Amendment?


I'm thinking that it could ONLY be, for the athletes----cuz, again, a company/organization has that right----because the audience doesn't work for the NFL.

Obviously, I can't speak for NA----but, I have said many times, on here, that I think the NN/WS are horrible people.

No, they thought the Allies were on the wrong side, because they hold their racist, fascist ideology over American idealism.
As for defending the truth - what truth is that? That it's alright to hate certain people simply for who they are? As a matter of fact, that goes against the very philosophy that America was built on - equality, justice, and equal opportunity for everybody. If racists can't stand by American idealism, then they don't love America the most.

So it's a Voltaire "thing" to let everyone have their say or march around with tikki torches shouting "race war now" the problem is every time they do this one of their members who is on a tipping point is likely to go over the edge and take out innocent people

Just that it took Americans 200 yrs to work out that "everybody" included all human beings

Interesting tweet I came across today:

Collin Rugg‏ @CollinRugg

Trump:”NFL should stand for Anthem”

Roger Goodell:”We do what we want”

Trump:”NFL shouldn’t get tax breaks”

Goodell:”NFL should stand”

4:19 PM - 10 Oct 2017

...

Well, I don't know whose allies you're referring to, cuz America and Germany were against each other. I'm thinking that you mean that those allied with America, were on the wrong side, and that the NN feel that America and her allies, should have allied with Germany? If that's what you mean, I don't agree that that's their ideology----I believe that at least PART of their ideology is, simply: "America FIRST".


No. I feel that truth is arrived-at, by not going-with the very first reaction that someone (myself, included) has, upon hearing / reading an account of an event, for instance----a reaction that is most probably emotionally-driven----and giving thought / consideration to ALL angles of an issue / person / situation / whatever.


Yes, but, IMO, they don't agree that that should apply to everybody, and that's why they are regarded by many (myself, included), as despicable people----but, IMO, that doesn't mean, that they're against America; they just want everybody in America to be WASPs.


But, the IDEA of what constitutes "American idealism" is subjective, is it not? I mean, even though every American on here, is against THEIR idea of American idealism, look how many differences of opinion, exist, just on this site, ALONE, regarding what Americans feel is right for America, and how things should be run, and so-forth----but, that doesn't mean that any of us, Americans, are AGAINST America.

...Let's just have someone at a football game take a knee in blackface and full outfit and imitate Al Jolson (or Emmett Miller, if you're feeling rootsy - and then the s**t will really hit the FAN ! !! !! !! !! !!
Mammy!

What does this kneeling hurt, if they were being disruptive throughout the game in an effort to 'protest' I'd understand the uproar. But they simply kneel instead of stand people can choose not to join in and then still enjoy the stupid game.

Also not sure I agree that an employer can force you to make a political/patriotic demonstration you don't want to, I do not think that is a proper 'limitation' on free speech.

Canada's pro football thing just got a lot wealthier.

In my humble opinion, according to the U.S. constitution (written by slave owners mind you) - the document quite clearly states we should all say whatever the hell we want.

Physical gestures aren't defamatory save for some sign language anyway; sheesh, I thought I was supposed to be the social ignoramus ere.

It seems like nobody is talking about the fact that he used taxpayer money to do this. He knew that they would kneel and that he would leave early. He used taxpayer funds to fly there and pay secret service to go with him as well as the tickets to the game knowing that the whole thing was just a publicity stunt. I don't know how Republicans can justify this and talk about how Democrats are fiscally irresponsible.

Yes, Germany and America were on opposite sides during WWII, which is why some of them believe America should have been fighting alongside Hitler, because he held to the same sort of racism and fascism they do today.
The point of America is, everybody is supposed to be included, which is why their racial exclusion is Anti-American.
There are different interpretations of what America is all about, but to say that it's supposed to be about excluding others because of who or what they are IS against the ideal of America. A gay person in San Francisco's Castro District can be far more patriotic than a white nationalist, as can an African American living in Mississippi.