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12 Nov 2017, 4:39 pm

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I'm not sure if I'd call the French Revolution a success story.



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Based on my reading, neither would I except for the fact that that started them and us on the way to democracy.

Democracy has been hijacked by the rich world wide but it is still better than before.

Thank God the French had the balls to stand up to their oppressors and that the U.S. had the intel;ligence and balls to follow that good example.

It is a shame that the U.S. as the leader of the Western world has lost his balls and will not really take on our rich oppressors.

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12 Nov 2017, 10:21 pm

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Colonialism is not capitalism. Capitalism is about property rights, colonialism is about stealing.


They are joined at the hip.

Colonialism was pushing a capitalist based economic system.

If you do not think so, tell us what economic system were the British using.

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Feudalism the aristocracy stole land and then forced people to pay rent on land they had previously owned, they the forced them to pay taxes to enrich themselves. Capitalism is about property rights the Aristocracy (the government) being able to seize your property is not capitalism.



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12 Nov 2017, 11:24 pm

What about when citizens tax dollars are used for a corporate bailout? Does that count as theft?


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12 Nov 2017, 11:49 pm

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What about when citizens tax dollars are used for a corporate bailout? Does that count as theft?


I would consider it theft or at least corruption. Most of humanities economic problems come from corruption whether they are capitalist, socialist or whatever else.



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13 Nov 2017, 8:12 am

Daniel89 wrote:
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Colonialism is not capitalism. Capitalism is about property rights, colonialism is about stealing.


They are joined at the hip.

Colonialism was pushing a capitalist based economic system.

If you do not think so, tell us what economic system were the British using.

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Feudalism the aristocracy stole land and then forced people to pay rent on land they had previously owned, they the forced them to pay taxes to enrich themselves. Capitalism is about property rights the Aristocracy (the government) being able to seize your property is not capitalism.


Thanks for this.

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13 Nov 2017, 8:21 am

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What about when citizens tax dollars are used for a corporate bailout? Does that count as theft?


I would consider it theft or at least corruption. Most of humanities economic problems come from corruption whether they are capitalist, socialist or whatever else.


We are supposed to be living in a democracy. Sure, there is corruption, mostly at the top tiers, but that is not the cause of our problems.

The cause of our problem is that those who are supposed to be in power, --- those in the lower tiers in a government of the people and for the people, --- are the problem because we do not force those at the top to stop.

We the people are letting the financial institution and the economy do as it likes instead of controlling it as we should. We let the tail wag the dog and we are not barking or biting.

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13 Nov 2017, 8:48 am

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What about when citizens tax dollars are used for a corporate bailout? Does that count as theft?


I would consider it theft or at least corruption. Most of humanities economic problems come from corruption whether they are capitalist, socialist or whatever else.


We are supposed to be living in a democracy. Sure, there is corruption, mostly at the top tiers, but that is not the cause of our problems.

The cause of our problem is that those who are supposed to be in power, --- those in the lower tiers in a government of the people and for the people, --- are the problem because we do not force those at the top to stop.

We the people are letting the financial institution and the economy do as it likes instead of controlling it as we should. We let the tail wag the dog and we are not barking or biting.

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Depends what you mean controlling it, regulating that they cannot pollute or pay below a certain wage is one thing but treating private enterprises like they are public assets is another. Democracy means electing our leaders it does not mean mobocracy in which the majority seeks to forces its will on the minority.



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13 Nov 2017, 9:14 am

Daniel89 wrote:
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Daniel89 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
What about when citizens tax dollars are used for a corporate bailout? Does that count as theft?


I would consider it theft or at least corruption. Most of humanities economic problems come from corruption whether they are capitalist, socialist or whatever else.


We are supposed to be living in a democracy. Sure, there is corruption, mostly at the top tiers, but that is not the cause of our problems.

The cause of our problem is that those who are supposed to be in power, --- those in the lower tiers in a government of the people and for the people, --- are the problem because we do not force those at the top to stop.

We the people are letting the financial institution and the economy do as it likes instead of controlling it as we should. We let the tail wag the dog and we are not barking or biting.

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Depends what you mean controlling it, regulating that they cannot pollute or pay below a certain wage is one thing but treating private enterprises like they are public assets is another. Democracy means electing our leaders it does not mean mobocracy in which the majority seeks to forces its will on the minority.


Democracy is mob rule if the mob are the majority.

Private enterprises that we have to bail out should become public assets as it is the public that does the bailing out.

As to our G D elected officials. They are owned, just as you and I are, by our oligarch masters.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Trumps tax break to the rich should be showing you who rules and for whose benefit.

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13 Nov 2017, 9:37 am

GnosticBishop wrote:
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GnosticBishop wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
What about when citizens tax dollars are used for a corporate bailout? Does that count as theft?


I would consider it theft or at least corruption. Most of humanities economic problems come from corruption whether they are capitalist, socialist or whatever else.


We are supposed to be living in a democracy. Sure, there is corruption, mostly at the top tiers, but that is not the cause of our problems.

The cause of our problem is that those who are supposed to be in power, --- those in the lower tiers in a government of the people and for the people, --- are the problem because we do not force those at the top to stop.

We the people are letting the financial institution and the economy do as it likes instead of controlling it as we should. We let the tail wag the dog and we are not barking or biting.

Regards
DL


Depends what you mean controlling it, regulating that they cannot pollute or pay below a certain wage is one thing but treating private enterprises like they are public assets is another. Democracy means electing our leaders it does not mean mobocracy in which the majority seeks to forces its will on the minority.


Democracy is mob rule if the mob are the majority.

Private enterprises that we have to bail out should become public assets as it is the public that does the bailing out.

As to our G D elected officials. They are owned, just as you and I are, by our oligarch masters.

http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-dat ... b014efbf27

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Trumps tax break to the rich should be showing you who rules and for whose benefit.

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Someone having less of their money taken from them does not mean I am owned by them. You make it sound like all companies were bailed out the vast majority of private companies were not and actually paid for the bailout with their tax money.



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13 Nov 2017, 12:34 pm

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Someone having less of their money taken from them does not mean I am owned by them. You make it sound like all companies were bailed out the vast majority of private companies were not and actually paid for the bailout with their tax money.


The rich having control of your government and not paying their fair share of taxes means that the rest of us have to make up the shortfall ands that we are owned and or slaved to them.

Who paid for the bail out and whose cash went form the lower tiers to the higher tiers if not Joe average and smaller companies?

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13 Nov 2017, 6:43 pm

The vast majority of private companies are small. The ones that got bailed out were big.
If small companies are forced to support big companies, they will remain small.


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14 Nov 2017, 6:29 pm

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The vast majority of private companies are small. The ones that got bailed out were big.
If small companies are forced to support big companies, they will remain small.


That's the plan of the big ones who own the tax man.

The same applies to all those not in the big money club.

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14 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
The vast majority of private companies are small. The ones that got bailed out were big.
If small companies are forced to support big companies, they will remain small.


That's the plan of the big ones who own the tax man.

The same applies to all those not in the big money club.

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Right, the status quo will be maintained. Yet they maintain the myth that the reason they're billionaires is solely because they worked hard for it and that the same will happen to us if only we work harder (for them). They want to make their workers think they're temporally inconvenienced millionaires and their success is just around the corner, just a few more years away.

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15 Nov 2017, 8:01 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
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The vast majority of private companies are small. The ones that got bailed out were big.
If small companies are forced to support big companies, they will remain small.


That's the plan of the big ones who own the tax man.

The same applies to all those not in the big money club.

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Right, the status quo will be maintained. Yet they maintain the myth that the reason they're billionaires is solely because they worked hard for it and that the same will happen to us if only we work harder (for them). They want to make their workers think they're temporally inconvenienced millionaires and their success is just around the corner, just a few more years away.

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We need and want billionaires and millionaires. We want and need for them to show the right stuff and they are not doing that.

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