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19 Oct 2017, 2:21 pm

What's the future for Democrats?

-Democrats lost to Donald Trump, one of the lowest polling candidates ever
-Democrats lost 1,030 seats in state houses during Obama's presidency
-Democrats presently have the lowest number governorships ever for their party
-Democrats are 0/5 in federal special elections since Trump took office
-Democrats only control 18/50 state legislatures, and only five of those are veto proof
-Democrats are the minority party in the house, senate and don't control the presidency, hasn't happened since 1930
-Democrats recently controlled the fewest state seats since the founding of their party (presently slightly off that record)

The house Democrats who asked Pelosi to resign said, "we don't have a vision, don't have a message".

Voter: "Democrat, what can you do for us?"

Democrat: "Trump is a sexist, Russian, NAZI, zenophone...... any other questions?".

Democrats can't find a message, like Trump can.



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19 Oct 2017, 8:53 pm

I hope the Democratic party dies in a fire and an actually progressive party takes it's place. It's difficult to say though, the two party monopoly thinks more elections in the future than us laypeople do.



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19 Oct 2017, 9:08 pm

The same thing happened to republicans with Obama. They were confused when they lost a second time. There was a lot of talking about reinventing their party. We may be locked in an eternal cycle of the moderates picking the opposite at each election.


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19 Oct 2017, 9:45 pm

The Democrats will be back in force as soon as the Republicans screw up enough. That tends to be the case when people realize the Republican platform for "freedom" means much less healthcare, deep cuts in social services, and tax cuts for the rich that never trickle down to the rest of us.


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20 Oct 2017, 6:30 am

Both major parties are "dead man walking" IMHO.

Only a couple years ago the GOP was in disarray. It got "rescued" by a populist outsider who was never a real republican in either name or in beliefs. And while Trump was hijacking the GOP the Dems also experienced a populist uprising within their ranks, also led by an outsider to the party establishment: Bernie Sanders, that almost succeeded in overturning that establishment.

And now that Trump is in the Whitehouse he is constantly at odds with his own party, cant govern because of his low approval ratings, and the GOP controlled congress is so much at odds with the GOP president that neither gets anything accomplished. If that is the GOP "being in power" its hard to distinguish being "in power" from being "out of power".

Both parties maybe due for some kind of radical realignment.



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20 Oct 2017, 7:19 am

I'd rather see both parties go in favor of one that operates better. It is a new century and a new millennium after all. Time for a change for the better.

And flying cars.



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20 Oct 2017, 11:24 am

They'll keep losing by staying away from far left issues and staying towards the center just to get some of that sweet sweet donors' money that the republicans are gobbling up so much.


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20 Oct 2017, 11:32 am

I thought Barack Obama's speech in Virginia the other day was pretty inspiring.

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“Instead of our politics reflecting our values, we’ve got politics infecting our communities. Instead of looking for ways to work together to get things done in a practical way, we’ve got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry, to demonise people who have different ideas, to get the base all riled up because it provides a short term tactical advantage.The question now, at a time when our politics seem so divided and so angry and so nasty, is whether we can recapture that spirit, whether we support and embrace somebody who wants to bring people together.

The Democrats are the party of hope, the party of unity, the party of progress. They're the party of practical policies and sensible economics.

They just need to stick to that and not get distracted by ideologues on the left or right.



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20 Oct 2017, 8:55 pm

EzraS wrote:
I'd rather see both parties go in favor of one that operates better. It is a new century and a new millennium after all. Time for a change for the better.

And flying cars.


Trouble with flying cars is, if they break down while flying... well, you're toast. And so is anyone below you. :lol:


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20 Oct 2017, 9:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'd rather see both parties go in favor of one that operates better. It is a new century and a new millennium after all. Time for a change for the better.

And flying cars.


Trouble with flying cars is, if they break down while flying... well, you're toast. And so is anyone below you. :lol:


So how are we all supposed to get to work each morning at Spacely Sprockets?



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20 Oct 2017, 9:14 pm

New Zealand has become more democratic as of this week. It took a long time to boot out the right wing crony-capitalism neoliberal government which has wreaked havoc here (9 years). They thought they were invincible, but hubris brought them down in the end. So change happens, even when it seems only a remote possibility.



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21 Oct 2017, 2:22 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
I'd rather see both parties go in favor of one that operates better. It is a new century and a new millennium after all. Time for a change for the better.

And flying cars.


Trouble with flying cars is, if they break down while flying... well, you're toast. And so is anyone below you. :lol:


So how are we all supposed to get to work each morning at Spacely Sprockets?


George Jetson is taking his life in his own hands. :lol:


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21 Oct 2017, 12:09 pm

They have to find a way to get the weight of the Clintons off their back. This will be difficult as they are still around making news with her book and the Russian money to the Clinton Foundation and the uranium deal and the Republicans will do everything they can to tie the party to them.

I do not think "socialism" currently the preferred alternative to the corporate Democrats is the way to go either. I don't think the country is ready to elect a Bernie type socialist in the short term at least. They are a substantial minority and a growing minority but electable in any substantive way, I have my doubts. Between the millennials and the disgust at that party they could win a bunch of primaries but the general? A possible exception oddly enough might be the 2020 presidential election because the hypothetical "socialist " running against Trump won't be Hillary.


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21 Oct 2017, 5:27 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
I thought Barack Obama's speech in Virginia the other day was pretty inspiring.
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“Instead of our politics reflecting our values, we’ve got politics infecting our communities. Instead of looking for ways to work together to get things done in a practical way, we’ve got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry, to demonise people who have different ideas, to get the base all riled up because it provides a short term tactical advantage.The question now, at a time when our politics seem so divided and so angry and so nasty, is whether we can recapture that spirit, whether we support and embrace somebody who wants to bring people together.

The Democrats are the party of hope, the party of unity, the party of progress. They're the party of practical policies and sensible economics.

They just need to stick to that and not get distracted by ideologues on the left or right.



Lol they spread disunity and they aren’t the party of hope for have the nation who they hate with a passion.

They need to drop gun control ASAP and remove any politician who supports it immediately. This only pushed millions who might support their other more important issues away. There’s lots of gun owning deomcrates who are forced to vote republican. And when the politicians come out and say that nothing they are pushing for has anything to do with mass shootings and it wouldn’t have stopped any of them nor saved any lives then why are they really pushing for it? Control and power.

Republicans need to drop their anti weed policies too.



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21 Oct 2017, 6:30 pm

I'll make one hopeful prediction - that they won't bring Hillary back out for 2020.

I mentioned to some people at work, it seems less like we have a 'President Trump' right now and more like a metaphysical entity one could call 'Anyone but Hillary'. She was that toxic that the far and away biggest carnie barker on the republican ticket came close enough to take the electoral college. They could only do comparably bad in 2020 by running Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Donna Brazile and have Ruth Ginsburg breaking out the Hieronymus Bosch paintings to illustrate to women where they'll go when they die if they don't vote a fellow female for president.


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21 Oct 2017, 6:57 pm

Could someone tell me please if the phrase "social democracy" is stigmatised in the USA? What is its usage, is it considered to be the same thing as socialism in the sense the USA people seem to use the word? What do USA people consider socialism to mean, and social democracy to mean?