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03 Dec 2017, 8:08 pm

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How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


There is a distinct possibility he is approaching this perspective from a national contribution method, that we can buy out Trump, because the act of 'socialism' has driven their moral values over the edge.
I don't know what place he is in right now, but unlike him, everybody is dying to know where the money should be coming from, and he is saying, it should be out of benefits as a bigger tax initiative to save on more money and grant it to the E.U, upon bailout. Shows how much he cares about civilians, and is using it as a ransom propaganda tool to
tally to Americas thinking.
John Powell, you don't live in America, or Palestine, you live in England. Why pretend you're from these other countries if you're just going to spout off lies and evil about the righteousness of the right wing campaigns?
The U.K aren't for war, civil rights is open game because no one has given it a second thought before.
This isn't a third world crisis for them, it's just delivering more opening credits for the right wing establishments.
I agree, that nothing about the title, is going to be true, because Trump has also sided with us, he isn't just an idiot, he's a seedy, manipulative, challenging, past selling businessman who can't say to himself, ''Stop! '',even when his think tank has reached melting point. His views are over the driving limit for accident prone pensioners and we can't even cut off the fuel reserves on him, as they are one of the Worlds largest Oil distributers, besides those in the Arab Emirates.



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04 Dec 2017, 12:29 pm

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I'm not the one taking sides, I'm just being logical and reasonable. I look at the evidence and the claims from both sides. I showed that the US is hardly a 'free' country if it's going to try and take down media that reports alternative views and facts it doesn't like. So you tried to turn it on me because you're losing the argument.


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Please explain how requiring RT to register as a foreign agent takes down the media?


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Making the welfare system like a business for those who use it.
Mass immigration is a mistake yes, and denying the results is probably worse than naivety. Male and female homosexuals are the same regarding sexuality so no need for the labels there. And people are either male or female. The welfare system has pretty much created these problems. Not learning from mistakes, as I said. Got to be cruel to be kind sometimes.



You like to flirt with injustice don't you? Or is it the media that offends you? I'm wondering if the clues befit the legacy of how many migrants leave for a better life but, more often end up stuck as refugees on the welfare system.

It's true we can't correct a problem that has gotten bigger, but those who abuse the welfare system are those who speak ill of it, and clearly some people are using distinct labelling to pigeonhole groups pf people into one giant ethnic cleansing ritual because they can't see the benefits of how best to tow the line, not cowering into a non surplus arrangement of tending to people who are all but life's lost legacies, and I and so many others are some of those.

If we're discussing the plight of migrants, then I think a German doctrine can be drawn up not in order to rectify their past mistakes but to honour their commitments as a lead member of the E.U. It's not society's obligation or appealing to British favours that make us the number one favourite to prioritise everything around future Europeans or non Europeans, getting a job today. It doesn't just affect you, it affects everybody.

As an innocent and legal civilian of my country, I'd like to see a workplace that doesn't grow tired of people, and can co live within their means.
I have to formulate trust around me, and I have to live with a conscience of an individual rather than a stereotype, who doesn't brandishes people liars because they are maybe coming to wreck havoc in peoples lives, or destroy my country. Too many of societies members feel whiplashed by what they are incorrectly terming Thatcher's Britain.
If I had an iron fist I'd punch Junker in the face or get someone like a Russian Soviet to do it. Then they'd need the West for helping fight terror and ISIS then. I understand your concerns, but let's not bleet on about it. The country is being rebooted for another half a century that is all.
Identity politics of a nation is one thing, understanding the plight of innocent individuals is another.
Trusting the support of your people is one thing, relying off the goodwill of people is another. The state have a duty to provide, and quite often they don't provide it.
The trap of people with disabilities, (not work-focused individuals who blot out the world with far right reaching consequences for all,) is that they can't see the truth of the matter. The real issues are there, but so far, nobody is seeing it.
You're not the only face of Great Britain on this forum, so lets work together and not separate ourselves from the same thing.
We're a humble nation, we don't have to explain ourselves across the spectrum of the wider western world.


We can correct the problem, stop creating refugees!

Can you try and get to your point a bit quicker please.


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04 Dec 2017, 12:31 pm

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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


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04 Dec 2017, 12:34 pm

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So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


Because it's a political move directed at a station that is offering views and facts that the US doesn't want people to hear. So the US is trying to discredit them and shut down the debate. Some of the things they accused the US of was saying that the US has a bad foreign policy, the US is in debt and Wall Street is greedy. All true :lol:
When I said the US, I meant the establishment.


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04 Dec 2017, 12:35 pm

Empathy wrote:
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kokopelli wrote:
How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


There is a distinct possibility he is approaching this perspective from a national contribution method, that we can buy out Trump, because the act of 'socialism' has driven their moral values over the edge.
I don't know what place he is in right now, but unlike him, everybody is dying to know where the money should be coming from, and he is saying, it should be out of benefits as a bigger tax initiative to save on more money and grant it to the E.U, upon bailout. Shows how much he cares about civilians, and is using it as a ransom propaganda tool to
tally to Americas thinking.
John Powell, you don't live in America, or Palestine, you live in England. Why pretend you're from these other countries if you're just going to spout off lies and evil about the righteousness of the right wing campaigns?
The U.K aren't for war, civil rights is open game because no one has given it a second thought before.
This isn't a third world crisis for them, it's just delivering more opening credits for the right wing establishments.
I agree, that nothing about the title, is going to be true, because Trump has also sided with us, he isn't just an idiot, he's a seedy, manipulative, challenging, past selling businessman who can't say to himself, ''Stop! '',even when his think tank has reached melting point. His views are over the driving limit for accident prone pensioners and we can't even cut off the fuel reserves on him, as they are one of the Worlds largest Oil distributers, besides those in the Arab Emirates.


What are you going on about?


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04 Dec 2017, 1:01 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


The terrorists, such as ISIS, who instigated the American reactions bear no responsibility?


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04 Dec 2017, 1:21 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
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So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


Because it's a political move directed at a station that is offering views and facts that the US doesn't want people to hear. So the US is trying to discredit them and shut down the debate. Some of the things they accused the US of was saying that the US has a bad foreign policy, the US is in debt and Wall Street is greedy. All true :lol:
When I said the US, I meant the establishment.


You must have extremely limited knowledge of the Soviet Union.

If the US were becoming like the Soviet Union, we wouldn't be making a Russian government news organization register. We would be following their reporters and other employees, restricting their movement, and arresting and throwing them into prisons with show trials or kicking them out of the country. We have done none of this.



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05 Dec 2017, 1:17 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


The terrorists, such as ISIS, who instigated the American reactions bear no responsibility?


ISIS didn't instigate the actions, Obama did. Innocent children in Yemen did not instigate drone attacks.


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05 Dec 2017, 1:19 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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So how is the US becoming like the Soviet Union?

Are we opening Gulags in the far north to send people for political reasons?

Have we centralized planning to determine what goods and how many of those goods we will produce?

Are we building walls to keep people from escaping?

Is the government nationalizing all the businesses?

How are we becoming like the Soviet Union?


Did you not read my opening post?

Yeah, the US is doing all of that in Palestine since you mention it, apart from nationalizing the businesses, though Trump is trying to change that it seems.


I did read your opening post. Nowhere in it do you explain how requiring the a press organization owned by a foreign government that has along history of having goals completely antithetical to the United States to register as a foreign agent is making us like the Soviet Union. All you did was make an allegation with no argument for that allegation.

So tell us how that means that we are becoming like the Soviet Union?

How much do you even remember about the Soviet Union?


Because it's a political move directed at a station that is offering views and facts that the US doesn't want people to hear. So the US is trying to discredit them and shut down the debate. Some of the things they accused the US of was saying that the US has a bad foreign policy, the US is in debt and Wall Street is greedy. All true :lol:
When I said the US, I meant the establishment.


You must have extremely limited knowledge of the Soviet Union.

If the US were becoming like the Soviet Union, we wouldn't be making a Russian government news organization register. We would be following their reporters and other employees, restricting their movement, and arresting and throwing them into prisons with show trials or kicking them out of the country. We have done none of this.


No, that would mean you were exactly like the Soviet Union in that way. I said the establishment is becoming like it. I didn't say the US is like it and in every way but these actions definitely smell of totalitarianism.


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05 Dec 2017, 1:45 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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JohnPowell wrote:
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As compared to the complete sanity that just abounded during the eight very long years of Obama?


I had no problem with the Obama years, save for the loony right accusing him of being a gay, Muslim, member of a radical black church, born in Kenya, which were empowered by obstructionist congressional Republicans who were motivated solely by keeping him a one term President.


Those crazy claims about Obama just hurt those making them really. You might of had no problem with him, but all the people murdered by him and their families did. It's just that the pathetic mainstream media didn't report his crimes.


The terrorists, such as ISIS, who instigated the American reactions bear no responsibility?


ISIS didn't instigate the actions, Obama did. Innocent children in Yemen did not instigate drone attacks.


You're taking the side of fanatical terrorists who torture and murder people over an elected President like Obama?
And as I recall, the current President who allowed the Saudis to attack Yemen is your guy, Trump, not Obama.


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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


When did I defend bombing children?
Organ eaters? :eew:
Is this a sudden change in attitude about Trump that I'm reading here?


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That isn't the reason at all. It's because there's a lot of truths on RT and the US has this deranged paranoia about Russia.


Only a certain demographic of the US has a deranged paranoia about Russia.


It's not deranged if it's true.


It's not true, therefore it is deranged.

So R.T. is controlled by the Russian government. So what? So is the B.B.C., but we don't hear about them being subjected to nonsense like this. Other news sources are also government controlled, like our very own A.B.C. in Australia. It's actually quite good, if only because there are no ad breaks whatsoever! :) The quality is also well above that of the commercial channels.

I like R.T., I go there all the time (through YouTube). I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't. This is simply a case of the U.S. Government not wanting its citizens to know the truth. That's all there is to it. They would rather they watch asinine propaganda like C.N.N. or M.S.N.B.C.



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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


We went from discussing R.T. to organ eating?! Obama (also known as President Obama) is no longer in office, thank God. Yes, he was a lousy President, if only because under his administration he significantly increased the U.S.'s reliance upon drone strikes to take out its "enemies" (usually guests at weddings and funerals, schools and hospitals). Far more innocent civilians than "terrorists" were killed. It was an unmitigated disaster for the image of the U.S. around the world.

However, Mr. Trump is not much better! He is at least just as bad, if not worse. Sure, I'm eternally grateful Ms. Clinton wasn't selected, but that's not saying much. There has been a steady decline in the quality of U.S. Presidents since Jimmy Carter, who was the last president to actually have a conscience and a brain. It must, however, also be said that other nations have lousy leaders as well at the moment (ex. Merkel, Putin, Netanyahu, Turnbull, Trudeau...).



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That isn't the reason at all. It's because there's a lot of truths on RT and the US has this deranged paranoia about Russia.


Only a certain demographic of the US has a deranged paranoia about Russia.


It's not deranged if it's true.


It's not true, therefore it is deranged.

So R.T. is controlled by the Russian government. So what? So is the B.B.C., but we don't hear about them being subjected to nonsense like this. Other news sources are also government controlled, like our very own A.B.C. in Australia. It's actually quite good, if only because there are no ad breaks whatsoever! :) The quality is also well above that of the commercial channels.

I like R.T., I go there all the time (through YouTube). I wouldn't know what was going on in the world if I didn't. This is simply a case of the U.S. Government not wanting its citizens to know the truth. That's all there is to it. They would rather they watch asinine propaganda like C.N.N. or M.S.N.B.C.


Britain and Australia aren't fascistic kleptocracies states like Russia. Der Sturmer was Nazi Germany's official newspaper, and I would definitely not put it on the same standing as the BBC.
Most of what appears on YouTube has as much validity as graffiti scrawled on the inside of a men's room stall.
Oh, I have no doubt that there are things that the US government doesn't want the rest of us to know, even though we should, but the propaganda spewed by the Putin network and their Amen corner hardly remedies any of that.
But at least we agree that Jimmy Carter was a noble soul, and a credit to the White House.


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Innocent children in Yemen are terrorists? But oh the irony. Your hero Obama supported organ eating terrorists over the democratically elected Assad.
The war started in early 2015! Obama was drone bombing innocents before that anyway. Obama and Trump have sold weapons to the Saudis while they bomb schools and hospitals. It's sick that you defend that.


When did I defend bombing children?
Organ eaters? :eew:
Is this a sudden change in attitude about Trump that I'm reading here?


You were making out that Obama killing children was the fault of ISIS.
Yes.
No, I'm not one of his supporters. He was just better than Clinton.


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