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Do you daydream?
Yes 93%  93%  [ 187 ]
No 7%  7%  [ 15 ]
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11 Jul 2009, 9:09 am

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I daydream very often. I really enjoy my periods of the day when I can spend them daydreaming. On the train to and from work. On the 25min walk to and from work to the train station and during the forty round trip to pick up lunch each day which I do so I can get out of the office and relax. I also sometimes just lie in bed and listen to music whilst daydreaming. It's so nice.

I guess if autistics do not day dream then I must not be autistic :lol:


Gee, You stole my thunder! Their stated mathod is FAULTY! It is like the time that I try to teach people something and they may say something like "You didn't boot the computer, because X program didn't boot"! THEN I have to explain to them that maybe THEY had to do that because of some program or network change, but I don't. Maybe the color of a light, or its placement is different. Some people can make WEIRD observations! I have even interviewed people that worked at ONE company, and learned on the job. They THINK that a certain command is standard, when it is custom.

Likewise, if you look at a black box and X usually happens when a certain event occurs, it is STUPID to believe it ALWAYS occurs when that happens, if you know nothing else about it.

"Lie detectors" are a pet pieve of mine. Some IDIOT noticed that various things OFTEN change when you lie. They then figured that, if they change, you are lying. That is WRONG! A COLD could change them. Embarrasment can change them. They ALSO figure that if they DON'T change, you are telling the truth. That is WRONG! Apathy, misunderstanding, training, etc.... could cause them to not change.

Obviously, they did that HERE! That is what happens when you "teach science" in school, and pay people to determine things, or they have an agenda.



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11 Jul 2009, 9:20 am

I don't daydream.


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11 Jul 2009, 12:04 pm

I voted "yes" but then I read what the poster acutally wrote. I guess now that I think about it, I confused daydreaming with obsessing over asperger's, dancing, and drawing. I'm always thinking those three things and usually not much else. Sometimes I think about what someone might say if I told them I have asperger's...Is that daydreaming or still obsessing? What about when I imagine myself getting into the top ballet company in the country...daydreaming or obsessing?? :?



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11 Jul 2009, 12:10 pm

I am confused as to what they mean by "Daydreaming" and whether or not what I do that I might consider to be daydreaming is different from their definition of what daydreaming is...



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11 Jul 2009, 12:55 pm

According to Webster's Online Dictionary... daydream : a pleasant visionary usually wishful creation of the imagination

I don't know how the study defines it. I didn't try to find it either because I prefer to read nonfiction.



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11 Jul 2009, 1:04 pm

I think I daydream. It's changed though, I used too be in a gaze but be very aware of my surroundings and what was going on, but now I spend a lot of the time in lessons day dreaming and not being aware of what the teacher is saying or people around me. I often grin and laugh while I daydream which leads people to think I'm enjoying the conversation I'm completely oblivious too and am a supposed participant too, so I guess it's kind of cool in a way, I think it makes me come across as polite.
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11 Jul 2009, 1:08 pm

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I don't agree with that at all, I know I daydream, what is everybody elses opinion? do you daydream?


what university did this come from. University of Idiotics International?

I Daydream all the time for god sake. lol


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11 Jul 2009, 2:25 pm

In a new study scientists have revealed that people with autism do not daydream.

Pretty much disagree with that. I daydream alot of the time, I have my own world in my head :P



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11 Jul 2009, 2:27 pm

I'm curious about where they got this from. I daydream so much it's like I'm stuck in my head.

This is going to be another thing like we ALL have a ring finger longer than our index, isn't it?



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11 Jul 2009, 2:47 pm

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I think when regualr NT people "daydream" their mind sorta shuts off and goes into the REM state like they do when they sleep at night. But Autistic people's brains don't shut off and go into the EM state, they just think about stuff the same way the usualy would. When I "daydream" I am still aware of everything around me and I can't see pictures as if it were really happning.



No. No faux REM state here. I am always aware of everything around me simultaneous to seeing images. It's something like a double exposure.


Back to the study. Everybody else pretty well shredded it. All the researchers actually proved is that their NT subjects tended to have different brain scan images while looking at a picture of a cross than their autistic subjects did. It's a finding that doesn't point to anything other than "wired differently but still not sure exactly how" and it's a finding that sheds absolutely no light on daydreams and doesn't even research daydreams. But 6 pages of posts saying "yes I do so daydream you idiots!"already proved that.



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11 Jul 2009, 2:59 pm

Janissy wrote:
KalahariMeerkat wrote:
I think when regualr NT people "daydream" their mind sorta shuts off and goes into the REM state like they do when they sleep at night. But Autistic people's brains don't shut off and go into the EM state, they just think about stuff the same way the usualy would. When I "daydream" I am still aware of everything around me and I can't see pictures as if it were really happning.



No. No faux REM state here. I am always aware of everything around me simultaneous to seeing images. It's something like a double exposure.


Back to the study. Everybody else pretty well shredded it. All the researchers actually proved is that their NT subjects tended to have different brain scan images while looking at a picture of a cross than their autistic subjects did. It's a finding that doesn't point to anything other than "wired differently but still not sure exactly how" and it's a finding that sheds absolutely no light on daydreams and doesn't even research daydreams. But 6 pages of posts saying "yes I do so daydream you idiots!"already proved that.


I have that double exposure too. Like I can daydream, acknowledge the crying baby, go change the diaper and whatever, sit back down and kinda hit back to that daydream if the world around me lets me. I could probably do it while functioning (like during the changing of the diaper), but then I'm sure I'd totally mess it up (like put hte diaper on backwards). But I can drive and daydream at the same time pretty safely, and I think other people have posted things pretty similar to that. I also am very aware of my surroundings when I'm falling asleep or waking up (during REM). I love it when I crash at a friend's house while everyone stays up later than me partying and starts talking about me because they'll think I'm sleeping, and I really am sleeping, but I'm also paying attention to what they are saying. If it's useless, I forget about it, but if it's something of interest to me, I can wake up to handle it or remember what was said when I do wake up (depending on the situation).

I wish there was a way we could inform the people of that study to come here and read these posts.



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11 Jul 2009, 4:15 pm

SteveK wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
tomamil wrote:
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Recent research reveals fact that most researchers cannot think logically.

hehe, be careful, there are many researchers here at WP :)


Honestly, I'd agree with nutbag, exchanging the word "many" for "most". I made a habit of reading scholarly journal articles, and so often under all that smug scholarship, there are some really glaring errors. The peculiarities of a certain popular parenting philosophy are based almost entirely on faulty interpretation of data. It makes me ill.


Why the HECK does anyone even care about semantics? I can imagine and create worlds, some even seem to get their own life! It can get to be like a dream with every aspect appearing real.

Why would I care what some IDIOTS call it. Their "experiment" is STUPID! Even a DIRECT measurement on a KNOWN component on a KNOWN condition could yield a VERY wrong result! HOW??? Here is an example!....

1. Faster wheel movement on the ground leads to faster motion. FACT!
2. Given the same ratios, faster engine speed means faster wheel movement. FACT!
3. Faster engine speed, all other things being equal, means faster power consumption. FACT!
4. Using their stupid testing, faster power consumption means the vehicle is moving faster! ******WRONG******! The air conditioner may be running, the radio might be on, maybe there is more work that needs to be done.

Still, that 1-4 is on a KNOWN situation. People have a hard enough time understanding some of my ideas. How could they hope to relate a vague reading of some part of my brain to what I am doing?

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Increased rotational movement of a wheel with traction will still not necessarily increase rate of motion on surfaces of a constant frictional resistance. You could just be spinning your wheels faster in the mud. The direct measurement is yielding a correct result, you are making faulty assumptions based on those results due to a poor use of reasoned logic methods. Every single thing you declared as a FACT! is incomplete at best. Using an incomplete model to make an invalid assumption to attempt to demonstrate something is not going to get you very far, but it does get you somewhere. The invalid assumptions of Kennedy get us to a conversation about why he is wrong.

Semantics matter because they are the underpinnings of all communication. Even highly intuitive non-verbal communications have a semantics. Semantics is the process by which a thing is understood, semantics is meaning. You can not make the statement semantics are useless without using semantics to do so thereby refuting your own argument by attempting to make it. They have just demonstrated their own usefulness by you attempting to make use of a semantic process to be understood saying they have no use.

If we properly adjust, assuming that increased energy output of the engine results in increased rotation of the wheel and this will result in increased frictional resistance which will increase rate of movement across a plane can work, up until you forgot to adjust for the entropic forces of the friction on the rubber of your tire causing it to melt and tear apart and the whole thing "burns out" and rolls itself. We know deductive/inductive logical reasoning is useful because the only way you can prove it is not useful is through deductive/inductive logical reasoning. We can only deduce and induce via a reasoned logic based upon that which we perceive and we have incomplete and imperfect perceptions.

If they are idiots, reason out why they are being so. Use a logical process to establish what is actually correct. Use language to explain why they are wrong and what is correct. Every step of the way you will be making use of a semantic process. If I assign the the meaning of "these three portions of the brain" to the symbol "The Rest Network" and then assign the meaning "the activation of The Rest Network" to the symbol "Resting" and then I assign the meaning "the increase of oxygenation as seen by fMRI" to the symbol "activation" then based on the findings of the fMRI's of the I think it was 15 individuals ranging along the spectrum and 15 NT individuals, the NT individuals all rest in one way and the spectrum individuals rest in another way. I could then assign the meaning of the symbol "Daydream" to be "the NT style resting" and assign the meaning "the autistic constant low level activation" to the symbol "The Waking Daydream".

Based on this I can design further experiments to test out how well this holds up. The strength of support for a hypothesis is derived from the predictive power it gives. As Plato would say, You have power over that which you name. This is why I care about semantics.



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11 Jul 2009, 5:20 pm

What the study says is that "autistic people don't daydream in the same way the non-autistic people", does not say that "autistic people don't daydream".



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11 Jul 2009, 10:49 pm

this post is 2 years old haha, cant believe soembody found it hehe, i know i day dream, my daydreams though are of families,i like making families in my head dont ask me why lol haha, but i saw this article and thought that was stupid, its like saying all autsitics dont think either. I rarely daydream, only if i ahve the right tone of music then its listin families in my head and of my brother hehe. anyways thanks for bringin an old post back hehe


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12 Jul 2009, 1:02 am

I used to think I might be the only one who did it and that it was a weird waste of time. I even tried for months to quit and I just couldn't do it. Now I'm supposed to be one of the few who don't!?