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05 Dec 2017, 1:14 am

People on the Autism Spectrum Are Boycotting 'To Siri With Love'

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People on the autism spectrum are boycotting “To Siri With Love: A Mother, Her Autistic Son, and the Kindness of Machines,” a book written in 2016 by Judith Newman, a mother whose son is on the autism spectrum. In her book, Newman says she wants medical power of attorney when her son, who is currently 16, turns 18 so she can get him a vasectomy

The boycott was started on Thursday by Amythest Schaber, an autistic person who makes Youtube videos and was described in Newman’s book as a “manic pixie dream girl” without consent. The Mighty reached out to Schaber, who declined to comment.

People in the autism community have rallied around Shaber in support of the boycott, criticizing Newman’s views and portrayal of autistic people.

Others have added negative reviews on Amazon, calling the book dangerous, despicable and ableist.

Since the boycott began, Newman said she has received a death threat but stands by what she wrote. She told The Mighty in a statement that she believes much of what is being said is taken out of context.

“I am going to insist Gus has a vasectomy,” Newman said, adding:

The autistic community thinks I want him sterilized because I do not want the DNA of an autistic person to perpetuate. This could not be further from the truth. I want to be a grandmother! What I do not want is my son having a child he could not possibly take care of. This is my big fear. The truth is, I would never do this unless it was reversible.

But in the book, I said I wanted to have the ability to decide on a vasectomy for him if he becomes sexually active at 18, and I make no apologies about that.

According to Samantha Crane, legal director for the Autistic Self Advocacy Network, someone who signs a medical power of attorney does not lose the ability to make their own decisions. Medical power of attorney gives the supporter (in this case, Newman) the right to assist in medical decision-making. The only time the supporter would make decisions is in a situation when the individual cannot make them, such as during a loss of consciousness.

“I’m not aware of any state in the U.S. in which it would be legal to use a healthcare power of attorney in the way that this passage appears to be describing,” Crane told The Mighty.

Crane said this doesn’t mean involuntary sterilization doesn’t happen in the U.S.

“In many jurisdictions, court-appointed guardians are still allowed to consent to sterilization procedures without informed consent from a disabled child or adult, based solely on the belief that people with disabilities should not have children,” she said. “This is unacceptable and we support legislation that would protect all people with disabilities from this kind of abuse.”

The U.S. has a dark history of forced sterilization with 31 states previously operating eugenics programs. Between 1933 to 1977, North Carolina sterilized an estimated 7,600 disabled, poor and uneducated people — an offense which the state apologized for in 2002. Despite states acknowledging that these programs are wrong, today some parents still attempt to ask courts as well as internet forums for guidance in regards to sterilizing their children.

“Judith’s words take away her son’s rights to choose for himself and endanger autistic lives everywhere by setting a dangerous standard,” Holmans said. “We must not let this type of behavior become acceptable


Besides all the other things to put such personal information for public consumption is a hideous violation of her sons privacy.


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05 Dec 2017, 11:32 am

One thing I learned is never believe what I read about a book until I read it myself, then form my own opinion. It's amazing how illiterate people are or what they twist or how they interpret things so I would rather see it for myself before I believe and if I don't see it, I just think all those people were wrong.


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06 Dec 2017, 7:04 pm

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Others have added negative reviews on Amazon, calling the book dangerous, despicable and ableist.


Yes, they have, and I've noticed they tend to be the same self-righteous, triggered "advocates" leaving multiple negative responses to all the positive ones (64% five stars on Amazon). One ('Freyja') even went so far as to make a personal attack:

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I just need to point out that this reviewer is a close friend to Judith (I have seen her on Twitter, check for yourself) and she only came here to buy this book and write good things in order to defend her friend from all of the negative reviews here. Most 5 Star comments here are written by Judith’s close friends, family and paid reviewers.
I suggest looking at the 3-1 star verified reviews as they seem to be the most honest and non-biased.
I did not purchase this book, I borrowed from the library.


The one and three star reviews are seen as being "more honest" by this person because they happen to agree with them. There's no bias there, oh no, of course not. :roll:

By the way, Amethyst really IS a manic pixie dream girl. I've seen her clips, and they always emphasise the perceived positive aspects to having autism. It's almost as though there could not possibly be anything wrong about this condition. Truly baffling.



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09 Dec 2017, 1:02 am

Subscribe Observer ‘To Siri With Love’ Author Fires Back: Book ‘Wasn’t Written for Autistic Audience’

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Since its release in August, Judith Newman’s To Siri With Love has been greeted with critical acclaim and celebrity endorsements. Newman’s son Gus has autism, and he learned to communicate with others through conversations with Apple’s personal assistant.

But the memoir, which Jon Stewart called “beautifully honest and illuminating,” has a lot of critics too—namely, other people with autism.

author who identifies as #ActualAutistic in her Twitter bio, laid out her problems with To Siri With Love in a long tweetstorm.

“Picture what would happen if someone distributed a sheet of paper with private information about you on it,” she writes. “Your porn habits. Discussion of bathroom habits. There’s even a statement about the Benny Hill song (“Yakety Sax“) playing during you having sex—but only IF you have sex, that is.”

Change that sheet of paper to a New York Times bestselling book and the “someone” to your mother and you have some idea of Gus’ predicament, Porter wrote.

Newman told Observer she wants medical power of attorney for her son so she can make appointments and explain his symptoms to doctors. She does not, however, plan to have him sterilized.

“I am much less worried now and hoping to be a grandmother someday,” she said. “That’s a result of my son’s growth and my own.”

Newman also said the revelations about her son’s personal life had been blown out of proportion. She said the book includes a “funny potty training anecdote” from when Gus was three years old. The porn joke referenced an incident when Gus’ twin brother looked at his web history and said it was weird he didn’t watch videos with “sexy Asian ladies.”

While Newman’s stories are meant to be humorous, one of the hallmarks of people with autism is that they think literally and have difficulty understanding jokes. Newman knew this and wrote it that way on purpose.

“This book really wasn’t written for an autistic audience,” she said. “It was written for parents, neighbors, people who may love and hopefully will work with someone who is on the spectrum.”

But autistic readers like Rhywiol say Newman isn’t giving them enough credit.


Precisely because it was not written for Autistics is why some of us care. What is written about us in tomes meant for people who parent or care for us affects how we are treated.

I am not upset about potty stories at age 3. I do not know how it is now but parents were always showing off pictures of thier baby or toddler nude or going potty around to other parents and friends way back when and were still being shown around as a joke with me there when I was a young adult.

Publishing his porn or lack of habits is a lot more problematic.

She can walk it back all she wants but that she wanted to maybe vacsectomize him is and having that on the record following him for his whole life is the one of the most emasculating things that could be done to a guy.

The most important thing is not what I think is embarrassing but that nowhere in her defence of the book does she mention he was asked about having his personal information put out there. Even if he is too intellectually disabled to understand (which does not seem to be the case) that does not make it ok


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09 Dec 2017, 1:34 am

You could put that discussion out, lately we saw several threads telling autistics shouldn't have children and autistics cant (be) parent.
But offence will be taken elsewhere.

Just don't hide, errr boycot, what should be seen, it's a narratif thats prominent somewhat.



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09 Dec 2017, 2:14 am

traven wrote:
You could put that discussion out, lately we saw several threads telling autistics shouldn't have children and autistics cant (be) parent.
But offence will be taken elsewhere.

Just don't hide, errr boycot, what should be seen, it's a narratif thats prominent somewhat.


The title I choose for this thread might be misleading. WP severely limits the amount of characters one can use for a title of a thread. I would have preferred a title like “Boycott organised against book advocating vasectomy option for son”

Boycotts in this era is a problematic tactic because it gets you associated SJW’s and the anti free speech phenomenon. Which is ironic because boycotting is a form of speech. Advocating a boycott is not the same as advacating the publisher stop printing the book.


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11 Dec 2017, 3:11 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
traven wrote:
You could put that discussion out, lately we saw several threads telling autistics shouldn't have children and autistics cant (be) parent.
But offence will be taken elsewhere.

Just don't hide, errr boycot, what should be seen, it's a narratif thats prominent somewhat.


The title I choose for this thread might be misleading. WP severely limits the amount of characters one can use for a title of a thread. I would have preferred a title like “Boycott organised against book advocating vasectomy option for son”

Boycotts in this era is a problematic tactic because it gets you associated SJW’s and the anti free speech phenomenon. Which is ironic because boycotting is a form of speech. Advocating a boycott is not the same as advacating the publisher stop printing the book.


If you want to boycott it, then boycott it. Ignore the anti-SJW crowd, I generally associate them with the alt-right. I would be in favour of a boycott especially if the book advocates for giving her son a vasectomy against his will. I see though that John Elder Robison gave it a positive review saying we should understand the points of view from both sides:

https://www.amazon.com/Siri-Love-Autistic-Kindness-Machines/product-reviews/1538419912/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_acr_sr?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews



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11 Dec 2017, 11:03 am

You know when someone can't come up with an original title for their book, that it's probably not a great book. Unfortunately this boycott is a little late. The book is already on the best seller lists. The boycott should have started six months ago.


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11 Dec 2017, 12:38 pm

Jono wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
traven wrote:
You could put that discussion out, lately we saw several threads telling autistics shouldn't have children and autistics cant (be) parent.
But offence will be taken elsewhere.

Just don't hide, errr boycot, what should be seen, it's a narratif thats prominent somewhat.


The title I choose for this thread might be misleading. WP severely limits the amount of characters one can use for a title of a thread. I would have preferred a title like “Boycott organised against book advocating vasectomy option for son”

Boycotts in this era is a problematic tactic because it gets you associated SJW’s and the anti free speech phenomenon. Which is ironic because boycotting is a form of speech. Advocating a boycott is not the same as advacating the publisher stop printing the book.


If you want to boycott it, then boycott it. Ignore the anti-SJW crowd, I generally associate them with the alt-right. I would be in favour of a boycott especially if the book advocates for giving her son a vasectomy against his will. I see though that John Elder Robison gave it a positive review saying we should understand the points of view from both sides:

https://www.amazon.com/Siri-Love-Autistic-Kindness-Machines/product-reviews/1538419912/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_acr_sr?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews


Not entirely the alt right.Bernie Sanders Nancy Pelosi, and Anti Trump Conservatives are against important elements of what they are trying to do.

Problem is those of us who were taught civics in school and understand that truly protecting freedom of expression is very painful but the alternative is worse are aging out and soon to be dying out.


Back on topic when one advocates for a boycott one is advocating for choice, when one advocates pulling a book one is advocating for limiting choice.


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11 Dec 2017, 12:59 pm

I count on readers who have actually read the book to do the right thing(s). I believe that the vast majority of parents with autistic children are recoiling in disgust about the book's wide-raging and shocking suggestions. It is unlikely that even a relative few parents agree with all the book's ideas. I believe that even most TD parents of TD children would disagree with the book.


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11 Dec 2017, 4:32 pm

and the elephant in the room being ignored is....sterilization of the intellectually disabled

its one of those issues nobody want's to talk about...even when its staring people in the face...



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11 Dec 2017, 4:55 pm

I would have welcomed being sterilized at age 18 :D



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11 Dec 2017, 5:19 pm

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I would have welcomed being sterilized at age 18 :D


But I imagine you would prefer it being by choice. That is the issue at hand here, the author suggesting a parent/carer ought to force sterilization against your will because they decide for you that you should have it done. Not to mention it involves surgery and there are some potential risks certainly someone needs to choose for them-self.

I don't want kids but I don't want the sterilization surgery...apparently it is possible to get a 'pregnancy' in whatever tubes it is they block and if this happens it is life threatening can't remember all the specifics but that freaks me out enough to prefer other methods of preventing pregnancy. For guys it doesn't run that health risk, though they won't be able to have sex for around at least a week after the surgery, but I think typically it is longer than that.


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11 Dec 2017, 5:42 pm

You are right Sweetleaf. To say I would have welcomed sterilization meant I was willing. :) I did ask for sterilization in my late 30s, but my medical provider made a strong case for a less invasive birth control method (that was still a huge pain in the cervix.) Anything to avoid breeding. :D

As far as this author/mother goes: many humans don’t know where they end & their children begin.

As far as asd humans boycotting this book: the author/mother says she didn’t write it for asd humans anyway? The controversy might even enable her to sell more copies.

As far as forced sterilization of the intellectually disabled go: I’m not for it.

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11 Dec 2017, 7:09 pm

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By the way, Amethyst really IS a manic pixie dream girl. I've seen her clips, and they always emphasise the perceived positive aspects to having autism. It's almost as though there could not possibly be anything wrong about this condition. Truly baffling.

A real person cannot be a manic pixie dream girl. It's a trope that exists in fiction: a super-special girl who exists to change and inspire the main character. And there's nothing wrong with accepting one's autism and seeing the positive aspects of it.



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12 Dec 2017, 5:51 pm

That's one book that I won't be touching with a 40 foot pole.


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