Stuff I Learned From Using Conservative Internet Forums

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07 Feb 2018, 10:45 pm

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It's also why they often turn to fighting savagely among themselves at the slightest (real or fabricated) provocation. It's not about the values, it's about the rumble.


scorpions in a bottle. nobody cares who made the bottle. if only those meanies knew what awaited them after the boatmen take them to their otherworldly abode. mebbe if a few of them might be persuaded to google Howard Storm.



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07 Feb 2018, 10:59 pm

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To be honest, I don't believe most immigrants are that way. Most immigrants want to assimilate into the ways and mores of their adopted country.


I agree that most are decent people trying to etch out a life for themselves peacefully...
But unfortunately, the evidence of cultural isolationism in other sovereign countries suggests otherwise...

I remember seeing a survey about Muslim individuals in the UK...
There was evidence of Muslim enclaves...
There was evidence that many/most only spoke their native tongue...
And there was evidence of their misbelief that the Muslim culture dominated Great Britain...once again due to their self-imposed cultural isolation and presumably due to social/local propaganda...

I have no reason to disbelieve the survey, but I am open to correction...



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07 Feb 2018, 11:02 pm

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To be honest, I don't believe most immigrants are that way. Most immigrants want to assimilate into the ways and mores of their adopted country.

I know this....because I have known many immigrants.


Desire and outcome do not always match. I do believe many immigrants have the best intentions when they arrive, but that is not enough, the road to hell is paved with good intentions after all. Have you ever wondered if you could truly assimilate into an Asian society for example? Would you give up opening doors for women? Would you speak out when you see injustice as Americans are wont to do, or would you keep quiet to assimilate? Would you change your belief system? Or would you always carry a part of America with you? Never truly able to be one of those you have come to live among, despite politeness and good will on your part and theirs. Things to ponder.


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07 Feb 2018, 11:31 pm

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Desire and outcome do not always match. I do believe many immigrants have the best intentions when they arrive, but that is not enough, the road to hell is paved with good intentions after all. Have you ever wondered if you could truly assimilate into an Asian society for example?


Integrating into an Asian society would be difficult, but the main factor making it difficult would be the social discrimination.

If I moved to Japan, I would probably be able to learn their language and enjoy their food ... but the old people and the people in the rural areas would hate me just for being a gaijin. I would have to stay close to leftist youths for my own protection.

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Would you give up opening doors for women?


That actually sounds pretty nice. If women are just as capable as men, they can open their own damn doors.

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Would you speak out when you see injustice as Americans are wont to do, or would you keep quiet to assimilate?


There are actually plenty of Americans who see police brutality and do nothing. This isn't a uniquely American thing. It's a human thing. In any society, there are some people who ignore injustice because it's easier to pretend it's not there.

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Would you change your belief system?


I'm already an atheist.

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Or would you always carry a part of America with you? Never truly able to be one of those you have come to live among, despite politeness and good will on your part and theirs. Things to ponder.


Well, despite all of these factors, I would totally go to Japan if, for example, the West suddenly became a war zone.

That's why people leave the Middle East. They know that integrating into the West will be difficult. They don't just pack their bags and leave to collect welfare. These people come to the West from countries that are actual war zones. The word "refugee" exists for a reason.


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08 Feb 2018, 12:05 am

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That actually sounds pretty nice. If women are just as capable as men, they can open their own damn doors.


Ah, the modern gentleman. You'd have liked it in the Soviet Union, they didn't open doors for anyone.

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I'm already an atheist.


Yeah I figured, it usually goes hand in hand with utopian socialist beliefs.

Check my other post, I'm interested in DarthMetaKnight democracy.


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08 Feb 2018, 1:50 am

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Hi all. I have a question. Have any of you ever been to a right-wing internet forum run by conservatives? I have. What did you learn from your experience?

What I Learned

- Right-Wing political correctness is just as bad as left-wing political correctness. The people on conservative websites will rant about left-wing safe spaces ... but then they will ban you for posting facts that contradict their worldview. I agree that left-wing safe spaces are pathetic because people need to expose themselves to other points of view. Of course, right-wing hugboxes are just as bad in this regard. If you say anything negative about Israel, they will ban you for triggering them and being offensive. True story.

- Islamophobia is still a big problem in the West. On most conservative sites, you will get banned for criticising Israel in any way, and yet you can advocate nuclear genocide against the Middle East without getting any sort of punishment. Overall, the people on conservative sites seem to think that the Middle East is a monolith containing no internal disagreements. This is pretty chilling when you realize that most Islamic extremists promote a similar monolithic view of the West. Furthermore, these conservatives seem to be unaware of the fact that Islam exists outside of the Middle East. In other words, none of them have an opinion regarding East Turkestan or the South Thailand Insurgency. Overall, a conservative forum is a safe little bubble where you never have to learn anything about the outside world. It's a place where people hold their "patriotic" ignorance of the outside world up as a symbol of pride. It's somewhat similar to liberal sites that refuse to say anything negative about the world outside the West. Thus, the complexities of the wider world are ignored by both sides.

- They, much like liberals, love being offended. Liberals incessantly obsess over celebrities who maybe said something racially insensitive. Conservatives are the same in that they will obsess over people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ... even though neither of them have any political power. Yes, they are both stupid and embarrassing. I choose to ignore them since they are attention whores with no real political power. This seems to be one of the main problems with modern politics in general. In modern politics, everyone has skin as thick as toilet paper. Thus, anyone can draw attention away from human deaths by being an attention-whoring windbag. This makes people on both sides of the political spectrum obsess over their puny little first world problems in their puny first world bubble as the rest of the world burns.

- Every country has crap like this. I've been to Canadian conservative sites. I've been to American conservative sites. They're all the same. Sometimes these sites also get visitors from England and Australia who agree with them on everything. It's the same in every country. Patriotism is cancer.


I do find the parallels between groups like the alt right and Islamic extremists interesting. They both hate gays, and believe woman should cover themselves up otherwise they are 'asking' for rape for instance.


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08 Feb 2018, 8:14 am

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Yeah I figured, it usually goes hand in hand with utopian socialist beliefs.

Check my other post, I'm interested in DarthMetaKnight democracy.


I'm not exactly sure if I consider myself a "utopian".

In the long-term, utopian socialism might be achievable ... but not within my lifetime.

In the short term, the world (especially America) should follow the plan put forward by represent.us.

https://www.youtube.com/user/UnitedRepublicVideo

Don't call it "DarthMetaKnight democracy". I didn't invent it. Represent.us did.


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08 Feb 2018, 9:45 am

Pepe wrote:
I remember seeing a survey about Muslim individuals in the UK...
There was evidence of Muslim enclaves...
There was evidence that many/most only spoke their native tongue...
And there was evidence of their misbelief that the Muslim culture dominated Great Britain...once again due to their self-imposed cultural isolation and presumably due to social/local propaganda...

I have no reason to disbelieve the survey, but I am open to correction...


There are a very small handfull of parts of towns & cities here that are now predominantly Muslim. The idea that a decent % of them only speak their native tongue is very much incorrect. I am sure you could find some individuals that fall into that category but by and large they will speak english, though likely to speak their native tongue to each other on street so walking around these areas you may well overhear a lot or arabic, urdu etc



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08 Feb 2018, 10:09 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I remember seeing a survey about Muslim individuals in the UK...
There was evidence of Muslim enclaves...
There was evidence that many/most only spoke their native tongue...
And there was evidence of their misbelief that the Muslim culture dominated Great Britain...once again due to their self-imposed cultural isolation and presumably due to social/local propaganda...

I have no reason to disbelieve the survey, but I am open to correction...


There are a very small handfull of parts of towns & cities here that are now predominantly Muslim. The idea that a decent % of them only speak their native tongue is very much incorrect. I am sure you could find some individuals that fall into that category but by and large they will speak english, though likely to speak their native tongue to each other on street so walking around these areas you may well overhear a lot or arabic, urdu etc


I think the ones who don't speak English will be the women who don't have jobs or mix with Brits.



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08 Feb 2018, 10:19 am

Then again, I happen to know quite a few muslims, even those who wear hair covering. Especially if they were born here, they assimilate quite well. It's the ones who are older than about 50 who have difficulty assimilating.

This one I work with, who wears a head covering-----she's so assimilated that she's more American than I am! She talks like a regular, American college student, using "like" all the time, and saying "no worries."



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08 Feb 2018, 11:38 am

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Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
Y'all overthinkin this.

Bottom line, adrenaline is addictive, which makes hatred a drug.

One of the reasons old poots become savagely political - besides dementia - is that the other hormones go away first, so the only thing left to auto-mainline after the testosterone and estrogen are gone is adrenaline. (Cortisol is too dysphoric).

So whatcha get is a bunch of haters clubs. The basis for the hatred, and its focus, are secondary. The primary objective is group cohesion around the hate-hobby. Which, of course, requires an outgroup, or Other, on which to focus the hate. It really does not matter what the Other is - the object is to hate something, anything, because hating is such a rush.

And that's why extremist hate groups all resemble one another more than they resemble the more moderate adherents to whatever belief systems are involved. It's also why they often turn to fighting savagely among themselves at the slightest (real or fabricated) provocation. It's not about the values, it's about the rumble.

One can extend the addiction metaphor; there are hate-pushers, there are hate-profiteers, and you can believe they know what they're doing.

The sad thing is that oxytocin is pretty damn nice too, but it's not as easy to get that going. Hate, OTOH, is a cheap, easy "fix".

And there you go. In fact, there we all go, if we don't figure out a constructive alternative, and soon.

:D Hey, I must concede, that is a very interesting idea. Always thought it interesting, the Commies carry out the very same types of military atrocities and crimes against Humanity that Nazis, and other Fascists did. Of course, the Left usually sneers: "Oh, what happened in Russia and China was not True Communism anyhow, simply Communism in name only."

Well, today, I had an epiphany. Communism, if what is meant by the term is a future world where all are equal and share everything without the need for money, does not yet exist anywhere and never has so. Mind you, if I am correct in my view of Human Nature, it never will. Still, today it occurred to me that Socialism-- whether of the Soviet or Nazi variety-- probably does morph into Fascism, eventually and inevitably. Still, I digress!



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08 Feb 2018, 11:39 am

"True" Communism is a Utopian pipe dream; it can never exist in real life.



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08 Feb 2018, 12:04 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I remember seeing a survey about Muslim individuals in the UK...
There was evidence of Muslim enclaves...
There was evidence that many/most only spoke their native tongue...
And there was evidence of their misbelief that the Muslim culture dominated Great Britain...once again due to their self-imposed cultural isolation and presumably due to social/local propaganda...

I have no reason to disbelieve the survey, but I am open to correction...


There are a very small handfull of parts of towns & cities here that are now predominantly Muslim. The idea that a decent % of them only speak their native tongue is very much incorrect. I am sure you could find some individuals that fall into that category but by and large they will speak english, though likely to speak their native tongue to each other on street so walking around these areas you may well overhear a lot or arabic, urdu etc


I think the ones who don't speak English will be the women who don't have jobs or mix with Brits.


Bradford is the first place I think of when people talk of Muslim dominated places in the UK. I have never been but it is known as a hub for Muslim immigrants and there have definitely been stories of families in Bradford where the wives and some of the kids don't speak English. Certainly goes on no doubt, my gut feeling is that it only happens to that extent, it's not really a problem in our society.

Shame for those people though, if I moved somewhere I would be desperate to learn the language!



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08 Feb 2018, 12:26 pm

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"True" Communism is a Utopian pipe dream; it can never exist in real life.

How true. Still, I fear that many in Latin America, justly angered by U.S. supported Right Wing Dictatorships, might, just might, decide to turn to what is called Communism.



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08 Feb 2018, 1:00 pm

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Mikah wrote:
Yeah I figured, it usually goes hand in hand with utopian socialist beliefs.

Check my other post, I'm interested in DarthMetaKnight democracy.


I'm not exactly sure if I consider myself a "utopian".

In the long-term, utopian socialism might be achievable ... but not within my lifetime.

In the short term, the world (especially America) should follow the plan put forward by represent.us.

https://www.youtube.com/user/UnitedRepublicVideo

Don't call it "DarthMetaKnight democracy". I didn't invent it. Represent.us did.


Without hope beyond this world, all hopes get fixed on the material - on Earth, fellow humans and human society. Many atheists, mostly unconsciously, start trying to bring about Heaven-on-Earth, usually with disastrous consequences. As to whether you are technically a utopian, you should ask yourself do you think you can improve the corruption problem or eliminate corruption? Are you trying to improve the lives of the poor, or are you trying to eliminate poverty? If you answer eliminate, you are a utopian.

I'll check out the videos later tonight.


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08 Feb 2018, 1:35 pm

Biscuitman wrote:

There are a very small handfull of parts of towns & cities here that are now predominantly Muslim. The idea that a decent % of them only speak their native tongue is very much incorrect. I am sure you could find some individuals that fall into that category but by and large they will speak english, though likely to speak their native tongue to each other on street so walking around these areas you may well overhear a lot or arabic, urdu etc


Could you supply any links to support your opinion?
I will try and dig out the survey I mentioned above...

Here in Australia we don't have a hard line perimeter Muslim enclave but there are suburbs heavily dominated by their culture...
The same applies to the Chinese, Vietnamese, the Greeks...but I think to a lesser degree...

I was pissed off where I used to live...
The KFC in my area at the time wouldn't server bacon on their burgers...oh the humanity! :mrgreen:
That is an example of the dominance the Muslim community had in the area...

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Without hope beyond this world, all hopes get fixed on the material - on Earth, fellow humans and human society. Many atheists, mostly unconsciously, start trying to bring about Heaven-on-Earth, usually with disastrous consequences.


Hang on a bit...
Are you simply being objective here or am I right in inferring, from this statement, that you are a theist?
Surely not... 8O