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20 Feb 2018, 11:46 pm

Social ineptitude will never be socially acceptable.

My life is infinitely better for treating my ASD symptoms via diet, supplements, & probiotics.

I don’t care if you are perfectly content with how you are and aren’t interested in changing.

I’m not going to stop sharing my story & the simple fact that everything in my life is better for having learned and done what I have because you don’t think it’s an ailment that ought to be treated. IMO, there are countless people on the spectrum who may live happier, healthier, lives if they get their symptoms under control as I have. My message is for them. You do you all you want, it’s not going to change what I do one bit.


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23 Feb 2018, 3:30 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Social ineptitude will never be socially acceptable.

My life is infinitely better for treating my ASD symptoms via diet, supplements, & probiotics.

I don’t care if you are perfectly content with how you are and aren’t interested in changing.

I’m not going to stop sharing my story & the simple fact that everything in my life is better for having learned and done what I have because you don’t think it’s an ailment that ought to be treated. IMO, there are countless people on the spectrum who may live happier, healthier, lives if they get their symptoms under control as I have. My message is for them. You do you all you want, it’s not going to change what I do one bit.


Most folks wont be helped by your "cure" or whatever, because I hate to tell you this but you are dead wrong that gut bacteria cause autism. Dr Who mentioned that your "evidence" would never be accepted by any scientist, and he was right on that.

I am an advocate for what I call autism culture, for lack of a better term. And genocide is not just defined by the United Nations as physical destruction of a race of people. Included in the definition is destruction of culture, religion, personal identity, and etc. Those who hate us want precisely that.


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23 Feb 2018, 3:57 pm

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Social ineptitude will never be socially acceptable.

My life is infinitely better for treating my ASD symptoms via diet, supplements, & probiotics.

I don’t care if you are perfectly content with how you are and aren’t interested in changing.

I’m not going to stop sharing my story & the simple fact that everything in my life is better for having learned and done what I have because you don’t think it’s an ailment that ought to be treated. IMO, there are countless people on the spectrum who may live happier, healthier, lives if they get their symptoms under control as I have. My message is for them. You do you all you want, it’s not going to change what I do one bit.


Most folks wont be helped by your "cure" or whatever, because I hate to tell you this but you are dead wrong that gut bacteria cause autism. Dr Who mentioned that your "evidence" would never be accepted by any scientist, and he was right on that.

I am an advocate for what I call autism culture, for lack of a better term. And genocide is not just defined by the United Nations as physical destruction of a race of people. Included in the definition is destruction of culture, religion, personal identity, and etc. Those who hate us want precisely that.


I am not the only person on the planet who's alleviated ASD symptoms by altering intestinal flora. It's also being studied by more than one research team - probiotic therapies etc.

You don't get it. People don't "hate" autistics. It's simply that many of the behaviours of people lacking in social awareness & abilities are downright unacceptable to others and society in general. Being much more intuitively social & socially connected has made my life better by leaps and bounds. You can shout "genocide of socially unacceptable behaviour," all you want, and the rest of the world will just roll their collective eyes and think "uh, okay buddy.. we didn't want to interact with you already because we think you're rude & weird, but now we don't want anything to do with you because we also think you're crazy."

It never ceases to amaze me when people on here think that it's somehow going to be easier, better, and more effective to start some sort of movement to change the entire world's thoughts about them instead of just working on themselves in order to improve their ability to fit in with the rest of the world. Bizarre!


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23 Feb 2018, 4:13 pm

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Social ineptitude will never be socially acceptable.

My life is infinitely better for treating my ASD symptoms via diet, supplements, & probiotics.

I don’t care if you are perfectly content with how you are and aren’t interested in changing.

I’m not going to stop sharing my story & the simple fact that everything in my life is better for having learned and done what I have because you don’t think it’s an ailment that ought to be treated. IMO, there are countless people on the spectrum who may live happier, healthier, lives if they get their symptoms under control as I have. My message is for them. You do you all you want, it’s not going to change what I do one bit.


Most folks wont be helped by your "cure" or whatever, because I hate to tell you this but you are dead wrong that gut bacteria cause autism. Dr Who mentioned that your "evidence" would never be accepted by any scientist, and he was right on that.

I am an advocate for what I call autism culture, for lack of a better term. And genocide is not just defined by the United Nations as physical destruction of a race of people. Included in the definition is destruction of culture, religion, personal identity, and etc. Those who hate us want precisely that.


I am not the only person on the planet who's alleviated ASD symptoms by altering intestinal flora. It's also being studied by more than one research team - probiotic therapies etc.

You don't get it. People don't "hate" autistics. It's simply that many of the behaviours of people lacking in social awareness & abilities are downright unacceptable to others and society in general. Being much more intuitively social & socially connected has made my life better by leaps and bounds. You can shout "genocide of socially unacceptable behaviour," all you want, and the rest of the world will just roll their collective eyes and think "uh, okay buddy.. we didn't want to interact with you already because we think you're rude & weird, but now we don't want anything to do with you because we also think you're crazy."

It never ceases to amaze me when people on here think that it's somehow going to be easier, better, and more effective to start some sort of movement to change the entire world's thoughts about them instead of just working on themselves in order to improve their ability to fit in with the rest of the world. Bizarre!


And my point is that we shouldn't have to change how we are, any more than I should have to be attracted to women. All people should be accepted for how they are, and not how others imagine them to be. And for most on the spectrum, those changes are simply an impossibility and unreasonable to ask for. Which is why I'm hoping for more autistics in the world, because only by increasing numbers will things get better. You cant ignore us, you cant pigeon hole us, diversity is the new normal, live with it.

What, do you want blacks to engage in some treatment to whiten their skin? In the USA, blacks are still despised by many. That's a fact. Over policed, still discriminated against, all because of facts of biology that can not be changed by them, and shouldn't. And they don't hate who they are, their African heritage and etc, quite the opposite they embrace it and love it, as well they should. And yes, they have good reason to *HATE* white society and white America in general, as do we have good reason to hate NT society. I'm just hoping I make it to roughly 2050, when the USA will be a majority non white country, to see how the supporters of the Trumpster Fire will take it.


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23 Feb 2018, 4:35 pm

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And my point is that we shouldn't have to change how we are, any more than I should have to be attracted to women. All people should be accepted for how they are, and not how others imagine them to be. And for most on the spectrum, those changes are simply an impossibility and unreasonable to ask for. Which is why I'm hoping for more autistics in the world, because only by increasing numbers will things get better. You cant ignore us, you cant pigeon hole us, diversity is the new normal, live with it.

What, do you want blacks to engage in some treatment to whiten their skin? In the USA, blacks are still despised by many. That's a fact. Over policed, still discriminated against, all because of facts of biology that can not be changed by them, and shouldn't. And they don't hate who they are, their African heritage and etc, quite the opposite they embrace it and love it, as well they should. And yes, they have good reason to *HATE* white society and white America in general, as do we have good reason to hate NT society. I'm just hoping I make it to roughly 2050, when the USA will be a majority non white country, to see how the supporters of the Trumpster Fire will take it.


How can you suggest in one breath that you shouldn't have to be attracted to women, and in the next suggest that all people should be accepted how they are? You don't accept women as sexually attractive to you. It's different, but along the same lines that there are some behaviours people are accepting of, and others they are not. It's that simple, really. You're Never-in-a-million-years going to convince over 7 Billion people to be universally accepting of socially unacceptable behaviour.

Really? An impossibility and unreasonable to ask for? There have been many methods to treat/counsel ASD symptoms via learning & practice etc long before I figured out how to do what I have. Anyone on the spectrum who Wants to improve Can do so with effort & energy. People read books, go to counselling, learn from videos, learn from friends, take various medications, do things I choose to do for myself etc etc there are many paths to improving one's social abilities IF people have the will & desire to follow through and do it for themselves instead of complaining about it.

Diversity is fine. Just don't expect when you say or do something that's socially unacceptable that it's going to be perceived as anything but rude and be a turnoff for most people around you. I'm not perfect. I'm not NT. I still make mistakes that vary with my health/diet etc & have so suffer the real world consequences of them. That's life. BUT, I still make an effort and Try to do the very best I can vs. having some delusional expectation that I can carry on saying & doing unacceptable things with the expectation of universal acceptance. That's just laughable.

Having black skin is not a disorder that needs to be treated so your comparison is ridiculous. Autism Spectrum Disorder is. Racial oppression is NOT even remotely comparable to people being unaccepting of socially awkward, rude, or unacceptable language or actions. People won't accept such social ineptness from any race of person as ASD as a disorder can affect anyone. Further, ASD is known as an "invisible disability," because there aren't obvious outward signs of it so no one is judging you on sight as being autistic like a racist person might judge a black man. You trying to attach the plight of ASD people to the centuries, or eons, old history of racial oppression is a bit of a slap in the face to people of colour, IMO.


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23 Feb 2018, 4:42 pm

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And my point is that we shouldn't have to change how we are, any more than I should have to be attracted to women. All people should be accepted for how they are, and not how others imagine them to be. And for most on the spectrum, those changes are simply an impossibility and unreasonable to ask for. Which is why I'm hoping for more autistics in the world, because only by increasing numbers will things get better. You cant ignore us, you cant pigeon hole us, diversity is the new normal, live with it.

What, do you want blacks to engage in some treatment to whiten their skin? In the USA, blacks are still despised by many. That's a fact. Over policed, still discriminated against, all because of facts of biology that can not be changed by them, and shouldn't. And they don't hate who they are, their African heritage and etc, quite the opposite they embrace it and love it, as well they should. And yes, they have good reason to *HATE* white society and white America in general, as do we have good reason to hate NT society. I'm just hoping I make it to roughly 2050, when the USA will be a majority non white country, to see how the supporters of the Trumpster Fire will take it.


How can you suggest in one breath that you shouldn't have to be attracted to women, and in the next suggest that all people should be accepted how they are? You don't accept women as sexually attractive to you. It's different, but along the same lines that there are some behaviours people are accepting of, and others they are not. It's that simple, really. You're Never-in-a-million-years going to convince over 7 Billion people to be universally accepting of socially unacceptable behaviour.

Really? An impossibility and unreasonable to ask for? There have been many methods to treat/counsel ASD symptoms via learning & practice etc long before I figured out how to do what I have. Anyone on the spectrum who Wants to improve Can do so with effort & energy. People read books, go to counselling, learn from videos, learn from friends, take various medications, do things I choose to do for myself etc etc there are many paths to improving one's social abilities IF people have the will & desire to follow through and do it for themselves instead of complaining about it.

Diversity is fine. Just don't expect when you say or do something that's socially unacceptable that it's going to be perceived as anything but rude and be a turnoff for most people around you. I'm not perfect. I'm not NT. I still make mistakes that vary with my health/diet etc & have so suffer the real world consequences of them. That's life. BUT, I still make an effort and Try to do the very best I can vs. having some delusional expectation that I can carry on saying & doing unacceptable things with the expectation of universal acceptance. That's just laughable.

Having black skin is not a disorder that needs to be treated so your comparison is ridiculous. Autism Spectrum Disorder is. Racial oppression is NOT even remotely comparable to people being unaccepting of socially awkward, rude, or unacceptable language or actions. People won't accept such social ineptness from any race of person as ASD as a disorder can affect anyone. Further, ASD is known as an "invisible disability," because there aren't obvious outward signs of it so no one is judging you on sight as being autistic like a racist person might judge a black man. You trying to attach the plight of ASD people to the centuries, or eons, old history of racial oppression is a bit of a slap in the face to people of colour, IMO.


I object to calling it a disorder, and my point is that its caused by biology, same as the color of ones skin. Its not a choice, any more than being black is. I cant wait for this idea of "normal" to be crushed and swept away, just hope I'm still around to enjoy it.


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23 Feb 2018, 4:48 pm

I'd also add that having a black skin IS effectively a social disability in the USA, simply because of how they are treated by the white founded institutions. A social experiment was done in which there were two job seekers, one white, and the other black. The white admitted to doing 18 months imprisonment for heroin possession, the black had a clean record. What they found was that the white got more calls back.


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23 Feb 2018, 4:49 pm

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I object to calling it a disorder, and my point is that its caused by biology, same as the color of ones skin. Its not a choice, any more than being black is. I cant wait for this idea of "normal" to be crushed and swept away, just hope I'm still around to enjoy it.


Good thing you're not a doctor nor making any sort of important decisions about health/medicine or societal policies that pertain to such things.

Doesn't matter if you object to calling it a disorder. It still is one. And yes it's caused by biology... but so is influenza, and cancer, and diabetes etc & so on - should we stop treating all ailments and just let them run their course & kill off whoever they kill?

No one said it was a choice. But leaving it untreated or not learning & practicing everything you can about the social world is.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the idea of "normal," will always exist as it always has. Most people fall into the "normal," range of humans & their behaviour. Then there are the "abnormal," statistical outliers like ourselves who have to make the most of this life as best we can amongst our NT counterparts.

It's perfectly fine to be self accepting and not want to learn or do anything to change the way you interact with the world; just don't complain about others not accepting your quirks and differences as willingly as you do.


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23 Feb 2018, 4:51 pm

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I'd also add that having a black skin IS effectively a social disability in the USA, simply because of how they are treated by the white founded institutions. A social experiment was done in which there were two job seekers, one white, and the other black. The white admitted to doing 18 months imprisonment for heroin possession, the black had a clean record. What they found was that the white got more calls back.


Racial oppression exists & is very real. It's not the same as comparing socially acceptable to socially unacceptable behaviour. There are some parallels, but you're sort of grasping at straws. Racist people in the USA treat people differently because of their appearance. They're not reacting negatively to their socially unacceptable language or actions. There's a big difference between the two.


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I object to calling it a disorder, and my point is that its caused by biology, same as the color of ones skin. Its not a choice, any more than being black is. I cant wait for this idea of "normal" to be crushed and swept away, just hope I'm still around to enjoy it.


Good thing you're not a doctor nor making any sort of important decisions about health/medicine or societal policies that pertain to such things.

Doesn't matter if you object to calling it a disorder. It still is one. And yes it's caused by biology... but so is influenza, and cancer, and diabetes etc & so on - should we stop treating all ailments and just let them run their course & kill off whoever they kill?

No one said it was a choice. But leaving it untreated or not learning & practicing everything you can about the social world is.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the idea of "normal," will always exist as it always has. Most people fall into the "normal," range of humans & their behaviour. Then there are the "abnormal," statistical outliers like ourselves who have to make the most of this life as best we can amongst our NT counterparts.

It's perfectly fine to be self accepting and not want to learn or do anything to change the way you interact with the world; just don't complain about others not accepting your quirks and differences as willingly as you do.


Its not a disease caused by a virus or bacteria. (although without good evidence you would of course disagree). Its most likely the result of complex interactions of gene products during the formation of the CNS in utero. An effective "treatment" would in all likelihood involve large scale genetic engineering of which we are presently not capable (and hopefully never will be).


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23 Feb 2018, 4:56 pm

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I'd also add that having a black skin IS effectively a social disability in the USA, simply because of how they are treated by the white founded institutions. A social experiment was done in which there were two job seekers, one white, and the other black. The white admitted to doing 18 months imprisonment for heroin possession, the black had a clean record. What they found was that the white got more calls back.


Racial oppression exists & is very real. It's not the same as comparing socially acceptable to socially unacceptable behaviour. There are some parallels, but you're sort of grasping at straws. Racist people in the USA treat people differently because of their appearance. They're not reacting negatively to their socially unacceptable language or actions. There's a big difference between the two.


Ask any American racist about the language and actions of black people. Do it.


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Its not a disease caused by a virus or bacteria. (although without good evidence you would of course disagree). Its most likely the result of complex interactions of gene products during the formation of the CNS in utero. An effective "treatment" would in all likelihood involve large scale genetic engineering of which we are presently not capable (and hopefully never will be).


You know this how? And what, besides a wild ass guess & a penchant for sci-fi fantasy, would make you think treatment would involve large scale genetic engineering?

As I've shared here on these forums for 4.5+ years, in my experience it's caused or exacerbated by gut dysbiosis & is treatable via diet/supplements/probiotics in a very effective way. Yes, we know that hard wiring of the brain and nervous system is different in ASD people, but I'm inclined to believe that it's bacteria/viruses that cause this "trip out," of the nervous system's structure to occur during development as there has to be something that causes the effect. It's also possible that that portion is in fact due to genetic anomalies & then the gut dysbiosis simply triggers symptoms via the enteric nervous system and vagus nerve signals. Again, I don't have a lab nor access to the expertise to prove any of these hypotheses - they're simply possibilities garnered from my personal experience of treating my own symptoms with possibly greater success than anyone else on these forums, or elsewhere in the ASD community.


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Its not a disease caused by a virus or bacteria. (although without good evidence you would of course disagree). Its most likely the result of complex interactions of gene products during the formation of the CNS in utero. An effective "treatment" would in all likelihood involve large scale genetic engineering of which we are presently not capable (and hopefully never will be).


You know this how? And what, besides a wild ass guess & a penchant for sci-fi fantasy, would make you think treatment would involve large scale genetic engineering?

As I've shared here on these forums for 4.5+ years, in my experience it's caused or exacerbated by gut dysbiosis & is treatable via diet/supplements/probiotics in a very effective way. Yes, we know that hard wiring of the brain and nervous system is different in ASD people, but I'm inclined to believe that it's bacteria/viruses that cause this "trip out," of the nervous system's structure to occur during development as there has to be something that causes the effect. It's also possible that that portion is in fact due to genetic anomalies & then the gut dysbiosis simply triggers symptoms via the enteric nervous system and vagus nerve signals. Again, I don't have a lab nor access to the expertise to prove any of these hypotheses - they're simply possibilities garnered from my personal experience of treating my own symptoms with possibly greater success than anyone else on these forums, or elsewhere in the ASD community.


A fetus in the womb has *NO* intestinal microflora. We also know for a fact that there are hundreds of genes involved in the development of the CNS. And please, don't call your garbage a hypothesis, much less a theory.


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I'd also add that having a black skin IS effectively a social disability in the USA, simply because of how they are treated by the white founded institutions. A social experiment was done in which there were two job seekers, one white, and the other black. The white admitted to doing 18 months imprisonment for heroin possession, the black had a clean record. What they found was that the white got more calls back.


Racial oppression exists & is very real. It's not the same as comparing socially acceptable to socially unacceptable behaviour. There are some parallels, but you're sort of grasping at straws. Racist people in the USA treat people differently because of their appearance. They're not reacting negatively to their socially unacceptable language or actions. There's a big difference between the two.


Ask any American racist about the language and actions of black people. Do it.


I'm trying to figure out what your point is.. ? :?

Black people can have as varied a vocabulary & knowledge base as anyone else. Same with their actions. Some are legitimately inexcusably awful in the way they speak & behave, and others are absolutely nothing short of Presidential - ie Mr. Barrack Obama.

If you're suggesting that pointy hat wearing racist white people are going to say that all blacks are rude subhumans, that doesn't make it so. Obviously.

But again, I'm not quite sure what point you were even trying to make. :?


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23 Feb 2018, 5:35 pm

I honestly don't know why people get so wound up about this.

Goldfish is perhaps the most consistently positive poster I have come across on WP.
And the most infuriating, it seems. :lol:


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Yet you only think I'm a "flirt" :P